24 hour siege again

[SnuggleSnail]

My opponent has depicted me as a soyjack, while depicting himself as the gigachad. It's so over for me.

Remind us you're a lawyer and link some more reddit threads to prove you're smart. Actual moron.

[strpk0]

Thinking about Haven as a PvP or PvE game is fundamentally limiting. PvP necessitate the 'gamification' of conflict, because that IS the game. This leads to conflict becoming the default. PvE has similar obvious flaws. Haven is a game where you can choose. That's what makes it special. I honestly believe that when the siege system is set up correctly, it will feel good to everyone.

This of course excludes noobs who get their teeth kicked in for making some arcane faux pas. It will always feel bad for them, and I don't a solution to that is possible.
I do agree that there need to be more to prevent from bad messaging and new players ignoring basic safety, but that is a better topic for a different thread.

Probably didn't do a fantastic job of it, but I'm not trying to imply its a "one or the other" thing. I wouldn't normally care about collecting butterflies or truffles in any other game, in Haven there's a higher purpose for the normally, (to me), meaningless larp (which for me its using it to gain an advantage over others). My point is more the game needs to stop making sudden U-turns every time jorb gets raided or something, because these U-turns are guaranteed to be rushed, probably misinformed and terribly implemented as a result.

About the game's messaging to new players (or lack thereof):
If people are regularly getting drowned despite KO protection/their bases broken into without siege/etc, then the game is definitely failing at explaining that this is the game.

You can do all the cute stuff you want, just be sure you're capable of defending yourself when you need to, in order to keep your playstyle going. Or just learn how to run away, which isn't a very high bar but still one that 90% of people suck at. The game needs to reinforce that these things WILL happen. Don't try to cushion things for new players when they're trying to figure out how to play this thing, because its confusing, and they could spend dozens of hours ingame, only to end up feeling scammed at the end.

To me, getting my shitty palisade raided and my strawberries stolen is far more valuable, because now I know what mindset I need to adopt in the future, rather than having a magical bullshit force field that I can toggle at will to get siegers to go away. No lessons learned there, and its just a giant crutch that will keep me from learning to stop doing dumb things that others can exploit. I might even feel angry that I didn't also get a magical 5 day bullshit force field when someone breaks my boat under me and drowns me.

[Robben_DuMarsch]

My opponent has depicted me as a soyjack, while depicting himself as the gigachad. It's so over for me.

Remind us you're a lawyer and link some more reddit threads to prove you're smart. Actual moron.

I'm sorry my mere presence seems to be giving you inferiority complex related panic attacks. I'll work on being mindful of your need for safe spaces.

[Massa]

this weird fuck is still shitting up my threads and STILL talking about safe spaces

this reality is an artificial prison and nothing in life has changed since 2016, possibly longer. i honestly hate that i can't fucking blacklist your silly ass.

[DonVelD]

i honestly hate that i can't fucking blacklist your silly ass.

imagine if the forums were good
oh well, this is the best we can do

[telum12]

Two groups of equal skill fight. Everything not mentioned is the same. Who wins?

Group A - 1 person with 2000 Unarmed 2000 Melee
Group B - 2 people each with 1 Unarmed 1 Melee

People of equal skill do not have this large a discrepancy in stats. Because of ua/mc equalization and (most) stats being 2/3/4th roots, stats between fighters are usually much more equal than you think. The problem is that you need to know how to play effectively in order to reach the range where stats converge.

Like Snail mentioned, gear becomes much more important early on because of how quickly STR*WPN damage rises. If you do not have decent steel gear against an equalized opponent with a b12, it is very easy to cleave into your HP.

Balancing of stats and gear for PVP groups of (arguably) equal skill is a different conversation from lowering the barrier of entry for non-factions. The latter is also probably a much more important issue to address, regardless of some hypothetical fairness in a 1v1 with stat imbalance.

[Robben_DuMarsch]

i honestly hate that i can't fucking blacklist your silly ass.

Actual definition of wanting a safe space.

[terechgracz]

Just make if you hit enemy he takes damage.

[bumfrog]

i honestly hate that i can't fucking blacklist your silly ass.

Actual definition of wanting a safe space.

whens the next new brodgar gonna b

[Massa]

i honestly hate that i can't fucking blacklist your silly ass.

Actual definition of wanting a safe space.

were it not for the safety of this space i would take your head mashallah