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Re: why you are retarded (and bald)

Postby Massa » Wed Jul 22, 2026 4:13 pm

the real way to fix combat in this game is to just get rid of stats almost entirely and predicate it all upon a "lmao don't get hit" system. because that's the only skill check, is not getting hit in a fight. pretty sure that was movement combat's execution in legacy, a great equalizer.

the people who are used to being the hammer are very, very okay with being the nail too, it's part of the territory. but people don't get it, especially if you color code it, lock any abilities away, and hide them behind 3-4 different weird math systems, between combat itself, stats, armor/weaponry. the primary factor should be not having a shitty weapon and no armor.

what the fuck is a delta? i was 12 years old when i first saw that triangle. you think i know what that means, now, today? no. no one does. you can explain it to me again, i won't listen and don't care, i'm genpop and genpop is STUPID. this ideally should have been factored in 10 years ago. loftar knows what math is, but we only know smash.

ultimately, i don't care, and no one does, about anyone's character investment or 'how things are', old haven metas/status quos are not sacred or meaningful. these worlds are entirely disposable. your con/str are meaningless and i welcome a new era where a hermit's poop covered shiv kills a year old titan.
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Re: why you are retarded (and bald)

Postby SnuggleSnail » Wed Jul 22, 2026 5:20 pm

Character stats and therefore caring about your character is a core aspect of the gaem. Killing/dying without losing anything meaningful would be like gambling without anybody losing anything, and gambling without anybody losing anything is just work.

What you're describing is valhalla, a place shitters beg you to help them practice that just feels like work
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Re: why you are retarded (and bald)

Postby Rebs » Wed Jul 22, 2026 6:26 pm

SnuggleSnail wrote:Character stats and therefore caring about your character is a core aspect of the gaem. Killing/dying without losing anything meaningful would be like gambling without anybody losing anything, and gambling without anybody losing anything is just work.

What you're describing is valhalla, a place shitters beg you to help them practice that just feels like work


I wouldn't mind stat diff to be removed from pvp tbh. I think its the one thing stopping new players/late joining being confident this does mean however that any fights that happen will be on fresh spawn rage alt characters with good gear but maybe that is fine? You still loot the same gear, sure there is a level of "I want to knockout/kill a player to remove their stats out of my competition". but It lowers the bar to entry and more people would do it then, not many people are willing to pvp because of the skill diff more then gear diff. and sure like its not hard to get within the range of skill required for a equal fight but we are talking about new players here who take a month to have 30s level stats.

We really need to make siege easier for the average joe too to be honest if we really want pvp back.
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Re: why you are retarded (and bald)

Postby magnet » Wed Jul 22, 2026 7:19 pm

Rebs wrote:We really need to make siege easier for the average joe too to be honest if we really want pvp back.


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Re: why you are retarded (and bald)

Postby linkfanpc » Wed Jul 22, 2026 7:23 pm

SnuggleSnail wrote:Character stats and therefore caring about your character is a core aspect of the gaem. Killing/dying without losing anything meaningful would be like gambling without anybody losing anything, and gambling without anybody losing anything is just work.


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Re: why you are retarded (and bald)

Postby Massa » Wed Jul 22, 2026 7:27 pm

SnuggleSnail wrote:Character stats and therefore caring about your character is a core aspect of the gaem. Killing/dying without losing anything meaningful would be like gambling without anybody losing anything, and gambling without anybody losing anything is just work.

it's time to throw the baby out with the bathwater and try something new
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Re: why you are retarded (and bald)

Postby SnuggleSnail » Wed Jul 22, 2026 7:47 pm

Haven was better when it was closer to a tech demo. The more development Jorb and Loftar put in the worse it gets, because they cannot into game design at all.

I can understand why you'd be clambering for total overhauls, shit sucks. But I think that's just a result of you experiencing easily fixable dogshit mechanics for so long you forget they're easily fixable. A competent person could fix this bitch with just the delete button and variable changes
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Re: why you are retarded (and bald)

Postby MightySheep » Wed Jul 22, 2026 9:56 pm

btw to person who wrote wall of text about how much the running simulator pvp sucks

having actual pvp objectives negates this in some ways. if there is a meteor, catapults, warflag, etc on the floor you cant just run, youre forced to stand your ground, problem is there is so few objectives worth getting KOd for that it doesnt work as intented
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Re: why you are retarded (and bald)

Postby whateverisfine » Thu Jul 23, 2026 3:24 am

MightySheep wrote:btw to person who wrote wall of text about how much the running simulator pvp sucks

having actual pvp objectives negates this in some ways. if there is a meteor, catapults, warflag, etc on the floor you cant just run, youre forced to stand your ground, problem is there is so few objectives worth getting KOd for that it doesnt work as intented


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Re: why you are retarded (and bald)

Postby dUmbins » Thu Jul 23, 2026 4:54 am

SnuggleSnail wrote:the delete button

and therein lies the point of fatal contention. No darlings shalt ever be killed, and far too many have been birthed. As pertains to sacred Content like the one metric bazillion cooking recipes, the developers appear to be entirely Pro Life.
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