Types of Punishments for Botting

[Kaios]

a very-very-very long time (3+ months into the game)

First month raising characters, second month building a village, third month rebuilding the village after it got nuked. Yep that seems to fit the time-line reasonably.

Most people can say the same as you about bots (in this world lol, as if you don't constantly bring up historical shit). I personally only started botting to feed my animals after everyone had quit which was around December and mostly it was because it's kind of impossible to keep up with maintaining a village of that size on your own, farming, doing all the mining, smelting, etc. and plenty of other tasks too like maintaining the authority on outpost villages and the like. Keeping all the claims fed and taking over claims left by players who quit. I've never botted anything else in this world nor have I done it in the past. I don't give a shit if you bring up my village-mates because that means nothing in relation to me, I played with Sodom in W5 and I did take part in some questionable shit but before and after that I have done nothing related to abuse of mechanics or whatever the fuck in this game.

Nuclear option on botters is just fine with me.

[ven]

Why are all of you still talking? If the devs were inclined to do anything against bots they would at least make a rule against them. They haven't, and I'm wondering what you're expecting to achieve with a discussion like this. All of this is pointless unless bots are officially considered harmful to the game.

[LadyGoo]

You don't need to catch every botter to curb large scale botting. A couple of nukes would be sufficient to deter people from fully automating their whole villages. Sure, people would still bot some things and that's not perfect, but it's a lot better than the current situation.

So, devs have to nuke 0 skill alts, used for chopping trees, digging soil and etc. every time they are used? If so, maybe they should nuke the whole village? But wait-wait, what if someone under VPN will use bots under an enemy's village?
And devs have to spend a lot of time working on a bot-detection system (which might not even work peoperly), instead of adressing crucial mechanics and balance? Or working out Xsolla? Or or or tons of other stuff they could do.

First month raising characters, second month building a village, third month rebuilding the village after it got nuked. Yep that seems to fit the time-line reasonably.

And you guys started doing it rightaway. Well done. *clap-clap-clap*. The funny is that you keep telling me to refer to you indvidually, while you and your Potjeh friend keep doing the opposite towards any member of my group.

Speaking of...

constantly bring up historical shit

New level up for you?

[shubla]

Why are all of you still talking? If the devs were inclined to do anything against bots they would at least make a rule against them. They haven't, and I'm wondering what you're expecting to achieve with a discussion like this. All of this is pointless unless bots are officially considered harmful to the game.

True.
Bots are never going to leave hnh.
Because devs dont give a shit.

[Amanda44]

You would get a great deal more respect if you could hold the 'top dog' position by your own skills and hard work rather than by using bots.

I'm surprised by the naivety of the people, who think that botting is the only reason why certain groups prevail. The funny thing is that we did not use bots for a very-very-very long time (3+ months into the game), while all other factions were abusing them. Did botting help to Ainran, who has started doing it from the first month?
Badich has created his cow farm and has been maintaining it for the majority of time without bots, until he has quit.
Our anvil was done manually. We have never botted glimmermoss or other foragable curios. All the bricks, steel, wrought iron, gear for our walls, including Venetia, were produced manually as well.

I don't think it is the 'only' reason, in your groups case I'm sure numbers and knowledge of the game are also a contributing factor, however, you can never say you would prevail regardless until you stop using bots to give you an advantage and see how you fare playing the game as intended.

It is just my position is that people vouching for nuking people for botting are morons ignorant:

I, for one, am not a moron, though I may be slightly ignorant on how hard or easy it is to prevent botting overall ... I do know that doing nothing neither helps the game, other players or prevents botters. Just because it is hard to remove bots completely doesn't mean some steps can't be taken to at least show it is not desirable.

At the end of the day it will act as a deterrent, as would deleting accounts of persistent offenders, even if it doesn't stop botting entirely.

[APXEOLOG]

Arheolog, please enlighten me with this other perspective in which it is sportsmanlike to bot and walljump.

It seems like you can ask yourself

Also, I've been meaning to ask what's up with your name being half Latin and half Cyrillic?

Old russian tradition. It looks like Cyrylic word 'АРХЕОЛОГ' , but Latin letters used

People object to unfair play, esp in a competitive game, your actions either force ppl into botting to compete or prevent ppl from competing who won't cheat in order to do so.

I agree here. I didn't want to make bots in hafen. Actually i made bot client only 3 months ago, when someone linked me a part of game stream where a person used miner bot. As it was stated by burgi's pet, you have to in order to stay competitive.

You would get a great deal more respect if you could hold the 'top dog' position by your own skills and hard work rather than by using bots

I have enough respect in RU community, i don't need more here. I'd rather be 'the voice from the other side'. People always need someone to hate and blame, i don't mind if it would be me.

[dafels]

you guys are making the devs to implement more anti-bot features such as fate, hunger time limit, energy, etc.. with these botting talks and make them ruin the game more with these features than the bots are ruining it

[Kaios]

And you guys started doing it rightaway.

Pure speculation, what was there to bot right away? You don't think Highgarden took awhile to build? Because it did. And like I said botting never occurred on any level like you are insinuating.

Well done. *clap-clap-clap*. The funny is that you keep telling me to refer to you indvidually, while you and your Potjeh friend keep doing the opposite towards any member of my group.

Oh like calling you out on wall jumping at the very beginning of this world? That's not historical, world 2 and 3 is though. (I didn't even play in world 2)

New level up for you?

Well, if they continue saying stuff like that, gonna use the only language they know.

[Avu]

Full disclosure which goo won't believe anyway not that I care. We got autocurio in our client a few days after it was in another public client. I've used it probably the most, warri used it some lake too but he died so much he gave up eventually, a few others gave it a go for a few days but then gave up. We didn't have any other kind of bot until like november. Our client maker can make them but he doesn't like us using them so he doesn't implement them and he had put lots of other nice stuff in the client to ever use another one. Over 3 quarters of the town has been leveled by fucking hand by main accounts mostly since too lazy to bring in new chars. You've seen how big the fucking thing is. It's all leveled no different heights it's all one level. Bricks, metal, wood, carrots for animals, flax for banners all by fucking hand. In november (by december pretty much everyone quit) warri got mad and made a farming bot which farmed carrots and dropped them and drank water when low and a leveling bot to be used with sacrificial alts. I had access to the mega complicated farm bot for a short while (then I got bored and quit) and I used the leveling bot for a few days to finish the last side of the town with warri and darki long after people gave a shit. Everyone quit after. So yeah we're bot users so fucking take it from a bot user when I tell you it fucking ruins the game. Or take it from Arheolog who thinks he is better than all of you because he makes bots and flips items in other games.

And nobody is asking them to create a bot tracking system. We're asking them to go around and check randomly what people do. You know people who spend huge amounts of time online for starters then see if they talk to you when they are shown making decisions ingame. You know like a turing test. If they are unresponsive well then we're asking them to nuke the shit out of them so the other scum fear the same and reduce their abuse. And Jorb and Loftar are unbiased? Really? What's the bias here? Botters and non botters? You so fucking afraid someone from the forum ends up in charge of spotting botters don't you? Because you know none of you are trusted by anyone devs included to make the cut and you know everyone hates your guts. Fun times.

[APXEOLOG]

You so fucking afraid someone from the forum ends up in charge of spotting botters don't you? Because you know none of you are trusted by anyone devs included to make the cut and you know everyone hates your guts. Fun times.

Yeah i'm afraid of this. Because with 99% chance it will be someone from inner party. Most of them our ingame enemies since early worlds till nowdays. So why don't i want opposite faction to have big red "NUKE" button? Hmm... Let me think...

But, for sure, this will never happen. Because players with godpowers is against the term 'equal rights to all players'. And devs understand it. Sandbox will be ruined at the moment ingame 'gods' will be introduced