Experience for studying curios?

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Experience for studying curios?

Postby killamoocow » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:17 am

I always found it kind of odd that studying curiosities SPENT experience points instead of providing them. As it stands right now, farming experience points is pretty mind-numbingly tedious. You can't even gain it reliably through quests, so if you decide not to play the game for a few days and just stick to studying curios long enough, you'll be in crippling EXP debt.

If you gained a small amount of EXP from studying curiosities instead, I could see myself actually using the 'kindle' hearth magic every now and again or any of the other ones I literally never touch, and might even have hopes of owning my own well of higher quality water with enough saving. I doubt it'd have too many ramifications towards PVP as I'm sure people who engage in PVP bank their experience leading up to their PVP engagements anyhow.
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Re: Experience for studying curios?

Postby ErdTod » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:31 am

Experience mechanic is in place to prevent inactive hearthlings (alts) from being too useful, and that idea defeats the whole purpose of EXP mechanic.
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Re: Experience for studying curios?

Postby killamoocow » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:57 pm

ErdTod wrote:Experience mechanic is in place to prevent inactive hearthlings (alts) from being too useful, and that idea defeats the whole purpose of EXP mechanic.


I understand that, but couldn't you also use the same argument in regards to ACTIVE alts? now all I need to do is drag my alt around to get double EXP drops, and I benefit from using an alt regardless of EXP being one way or the other.

My point is, if I want to play the game alt-less and take a break, I get fucked because either I tank all the EXP I saved up, or I just stop studying while I'm away. It's lose-lose for me either way.
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Re: Experience for studying curios?

Postby Alamarian » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:46 pm

killamoocow wrote:My point is, if I want to play the game alt-less and take a break, I get fucked because either I tank all the EXP I saved up, or I just stop studying while I'm away. It's lose-lose for me either way.


The point of EXP, as far as I can tell, is to encourage actively playing the game. Whether for alts or otherwise. Seems to be working as intended. Whether you like that or not, your changes appear to be contrary to the entire point of the system.
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Re: Experience for studying curios?

Postby Sevenless » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:12 pm

killamoocow wrote:I understand that, but couldn't you also use the same argument in regards to ACTIVE alts?


It's mostly an anti-bot mechanic. Alts have never been a particular concern, people getting combat power by running 10 accounts simultaneously with bots running is though. That said, there's an issue with differentiating between specialist play (my wife likes to cook/tailor in game and not much else) and bots. Once the game settles and many players stop doing varied activity the XP system gets annoying. Players who do a bit of everything never struggle.

Not sure what you mean about questing though. Boost your charisma to 100-200, do enough quests to get higher level quests from the quest givers, and you can earn 5k+xp an hour easily. This world I got something like 10k XP from 3 quests.
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Re: Experience for studying curios?

Postby meus » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:28 pm

Experience is also in place in order to balance quick LP per hour/ per slot curios, against ones that take longer and are less effective but consume less XP.

For example: Mirkwood Offerings (20 LP per XP) - Cornucopia (500 LP per XP)

Some similar curiosities are suitable for alts in the sense discussed above, some - not. That's also a valid restriction. A good curio for "alts" can be the Rattle-Tattle-Talisman - easily can reach 10k-15k LP for just 1 XP, but takes long to study.
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Re: Experience for studying curios?

Postby Massa » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:58 pm

I don't care about the logic behind the experience system being to prevent alts and I think that I would like to study experience curios on alts.
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Re: Experience for studying curios?

Postby MadNomad » Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:55 pm

good idea
but there is a question: when will it be added?
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Re: Experience for studying curios?

Postby vatas » Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:41 pm

Could add more stuff in vein of https://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/A_Wild_Dream

I do kind of agree with "just go questing."
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Re: Experience for studying curios?

Postby MagicManICT » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:39 pm

Was thinking about this again. The question came to mind "What would the cost be?" for this thing. My answer: time--lots of time. It shouldn't be a silly low amount like 100 xp per curio per week. 100 per day is probably too low. I'm not sure it should be a lot, either, as this is a replacement for actually having experiences (even if the experiences can be gamed to a degree).

Some sort of debuff could be added: -10 to an attribute at q10 while it's in the study window.

It eats your attributes or LP (latter probably isn't wise as it could open up a bit of a bag of worms with balance and alt building).
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