Remove Cheese

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Remove Cheese

Postby Robben_DuMarsch » Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:49 pm

Unless and until you can come up with a system that can't be botted as easily, or doesn't give as much of an advantage to botters.
It's very tedious unless you bot it, then it's free FEPs and ruins the game/food economy from about 2 months after wipe until wipe.
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Re: Remove Cheese

Postby Dawidio123 » Sat Jul 06, 2024 6:11 pm

Cheese itself is not as much of an issue as the whole infrastructure you need to upkeep it, farming is tedious and bottable, herding is tedious and bottable. Make these two not a piece of shit to do manually and suddenly cheesemaking is not THAT bad (still pretty bad). Arguably cheese shouldn't be superior to every other food, just a way to get competitive food (while other alternatives exist) using your own industry instead of hunting.

Oh wait it's robben, i gotta sperg out for no reason:
I made 200 cheese in the past two months just for fun and didn't even eat them.
You guys literally just want everything nerfed that you don't exploit, don't you?

Why aren't you complaining about whale botting?
I wonder if it's because you use whale bots, lmfao.

Cheese are effectively some of the best food that is the most difficult to bot.
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Re: Remove Cheese

Postby Robben_DuMarsch » Sat Jul 06, 2024 6:14 pm

Dawidio123 wrote:Cheese itself is not as much of an issue as the whole infrastructure you need to upkeep it, farming is tedious and bottable, herding is tedious and bottable. Make these two not a piece of shit to do manually and suddenly cheesemaking is not THAT bad (still pretty bad). Arguably cheese shouldn't be superior to every other food, just a way to get competitive food (while other alternatives exist) using your own industry instead of hunting.


Agreed.
As you've said, we've got all three things that are tedious and bottable:
1. Infrastructure/Swill
2. Herd Management
3. Milking, Curding, Cheese Tray Management

Worse, they produce the best food in the game.

Worse, they can all be done from the safety of inside your walls, making the bots have 0 cost to upkeep.
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Re: Remove Cheese

Postby SnuggleSnail » Sat Jul 06, 2024 6:43 pm

They could lessen the effects of cheese bots by making the racks softcap cheese
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Re: Remove Cheese

Postby Robben_DuMarsch » Sat Jul 06, 2024 6:46 pm

They could make eating cheese cause constipation, a wound nearly identical to bum burn.
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Re: Remove Cheese

Postby Audiosmurf » Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:15 pm

My suggestion is that we should let a disingenuous crew of cheating retards keep the devs running on an endless treadmill trying to contort development around their malignant presence for years and years until the game dies
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Re: Remove Cheese

Postby Audiosmurf » Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:15 pm

Audiosmurf wrote:My suggestion is that we should let a disingenuous crew of cheating retards keep the devs running on an endless treadmill trying to contort development around their malignant presence for years and years until the game dies

+1
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Re: Remove Cheese

Postby Audiosmurf » Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:18 pm

thank u all for lissending
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Re: Remove Cheese

Postby DonVelD » Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:32 pm

Audiosmurf wrote:My suggestion is that we should let a disingenuous crew of cheating retards keep the devs running on an endless treadmill trying to contort development around their malignant presence for years and years until the game dies

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Re: Remove Cheese

Postby Robben_DuMarsch » Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:32 pm

Audiosmurf wrote:My suggestion is that we should let a disingenuous crew of cheating retards keep the devs running on an endless treadmill trying to contort development around their malignant presence for years and years until the game dies


I'd love no botting.
The devs think that building the game around botting rather than trying to combat it is the easier task.

I dunno man, what would you do?
I don't think adding a wound identical to one that already exists (literally just copy+pasta bum burn, change it to cheese and change the name/ID to constipation) would be that big of a development sink.
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