Alt toon tabs for Steam Client

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Alt toon tabs for Steam Client

Postby Pills » Sat Oct 05, 2024 5:27 am

Some custom clients in the past implemented being able to have multiple sessions in one client window. So you could click on a second session and be on an entirely different account and essentially tab between them.

If the steam client were able to tab between multiple characters on the same account (but still only allow account login from one place) then this would alleviate some of the strain people are predicting steam players will have with not being able to easily access alts/multi clients.
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Re: Alt toon tabs for Steam Client

Postby jorb » Sat Oct 05, 2024 1:17 pm

Yeah, we talked about that. May happen.
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Re: Alt toon tabs for Steam Client

Postby joojoo1975 » Sat Oct 05, 2024 5:56 pm

Maybe I misunderstand

But do we want to make it easier for players to have Alts?

I would say no, and Hope, that with Steam we do Not strive to make it easier.
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Re: Alt toon tabs for Steam Client

Postby Kaios » Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:12 pm

joojoo1975 wrote:Maybe I misunderstand

But do we want to make it easier for players to have Alts?

I would say no, and Hope, that with Steam we do Not strive to make it easier.


Players advocating for healthy longevity of the game would say no and suggest ways to reduce their usage, unfortunately most of the current players don't share that mindset.
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Re: Alt toon tabs for Steam Client

Postby DDDsDD999 » Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:37 pm

Kaios wrote:
joojoo1975 wrote:Maybe I misunderstand

But do we want to make it easier for players to have Alts?

I would say no, and Hope, that with Steam we do Not strive to make it easier.


Players advocating for healthy longevity of the game would say no and suggest ways to reduce their usage, unfortunately most of the current players don't share that mindset.

The main reasons I see alts used are scouting and crafting. I don't see a way to really fix scouting alts. But crafting alts are mostly there because specializing a character only to fight or only to craft or only to mine is highly efficient.

I've made pretty old suggestions on how to reduce the importance of alts for character specialization:
Separate LP for crafting and combat skills
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Re: Alt toon tabs for Steam Client

Postby Pills » Sat Oct 05, 2024 8:38 pm

DDDsDD999 wrote:The main reasons I see alts used are scouting and crafting.


Exactly this, if you've ever hermitted on this game and don't live on benefits, you'll know the struggle of simply not having enough free time in the day to do everything. So its just easier to be able to have one alt for farming to just click and forget while you are using your main to go hunt/gather. And its typical on this game to have key keeper alts too, or crafting alts because of the nature of permadeath and stats.

Atleast, almost every world I hermitted I would have atleast 2 alts that I would use daily. I don't think it harms the longevity of the game and honestly i think the idea that it somehow does is kind of wild, the longevity of the game is entirely driven by how long a player can be bothered to keep playing. when the time required to play the game significantly exceeds the time they have available, you've lost them. Alts drastically reduce this.
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Re: Alt toon tabs for Steam Client

Postby Kaios » Sat Oct 05, 2024 9:09 pm

I don't mean alt characters themselves are inherently harmful, although I would argue that their increased prevalence does reduce the overall risk taken by every player across the board. This could be a good thing for peaceful solo players like you said, but the decreased risk is applied the same to criminal players making attempts at successfully fighting back less meaningful than they should be.

To be more specific though I think it's that increased alt usage in conjunction with multiple clients that causes more harm than good,
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Re: Alt toon tabs for Steam Client

Postby dafels » Sat Oct 05, 2024 9:15 pm

I don't think alts are a problem at all, mechanics that encourage alts are the problem and it is solely dev's issue and not the player's issue who are using the alts

You might want to talk about the mechanics that make people use alts and not about the people that use alts themselves

Maybe it is not a issue in the dev's eyes at all, it is only you? I support the idea of multi-session in the default client it will equalize the people that discovered the game from steam
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Re: Alt toon tabs for Steam Client

Postby Kaios » Sat Oct 05, 2024 9:34 pm

In case you hadn't noticed the very base mechanics relating to character and stat development encourage alt use.
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Re: Alt toon tabs for Steam Client

Postby Audiosmurf » Sat Oct 05, 2024 9:38 pm

Kaios wrote:In case you hadn't noticed the very base mechanics relating to character and stat development encourage alt use.

Yeah, that's specifically what they're saying, that's what they always say. It's the same sentiment as the bot stuff, "The game is bad, so I'll just alt/bot everything" into infinity.
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