A Sagely Dream!

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A Sagely Dream!

Postby Regulus2424 » Thu Feb 26, 2026 11:00 am

I've been contemplating, and here's what's new.

Consider replacing the final tier unlock of the "Wandering Sage" credo with the "Ability to create Sagely Dreams." This process will begin with the usage of a newly acquired hearth magic called "Sagely Preparation," which will start a quest (this can contain tasks similar to regular WS credo quests, or not; just don’t make it overly cancerous complicated).

Upon the completion of the quest, the Sage can go to sleep, which will spend half of their current experience points to create the Sagely Dream (which can then be used by anyone else to acquire that experience). There can be a small experience point penalty for the creation of the dream itself, as well as for its usage (with a slightly larger penalty for non-Sage individuals).

This will be useful for a number of reasons:
1. Sages can pool their experience points together for big well q upgrades.
2. Sages can provide their villagers with experience points for various magic (tailor for gilding song, miner for mining song, etc.).
3. Sages can graciously give experience points to the poor souls that can't afford things like "Polish the Silver" and "Raw Hide!" or simply for the purpose of studying curios.
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Re: A Sagely Dream!

Postby serVar161 » Thu Feb 26, 2026 1:05 pm

It sounds interesting to share wisdom. Wise advice helps in life.

The pros are obvious. What about the cons? And most importantly, can this be used to gain an unfair advantage?

For now, I see it as using the Sage as a power bank for charging magical energy. Whether this is good or bad, I don't know yet.
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Re: A Sagely Dream!

Postby Regulus2424 » Sun Mar 01, 2026 3:52 pm

@Jorb hello fampai, this is the suggestion that you asked for
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Re: A Sagely Dream!

Postby serVar161 » Sun Mar 01, 2026 7:31 pm

Unfortunately, many will use the Sage to farm experience and charge alts and bots with it.

They won't have to perform any actions to gain experience - just throw a dream into their table of curiosities.
This, in turn, will lead to more territory captures by alts. The number of bots will increase, as their efficiency will increase and the code will be simplified—it will only do what it's designed for.
Sage bots will appear.

Perhaps, under certain conditions, this idea could be made to work well, but I don't see how. Any restrictions will be circumvented.

Experience points are a kind of protection against bots.
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Re: A Sagely Dream!

Postby Regulus2424 » Sun Mar 01, 2026 7:41 pm

serVar161 wrote:fanfiction

frankly, I don't even know how to respond to this idiocy, nor do I think I should
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Re: A Sagely Dream!

Postby Hasta » Sun Mar 01, 2026 8:38 pm

Regulus2424 wrote:nor do I think I should


yet you did.

You did.
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Re: A Sagely Dream!

Postby Regulus2424 » Sun Mar 01, 2026 8:43 pm

Hasta wrote:
Regulus2424 wrote:nor do I think I should


yet you did.

You did.


nah, actual respond would require me to explain game mechanics to this person, and also ask them additional questions cuz these speech patterns leave a lot to be desired
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Re: A Sagely Dream!

Postby Hasta » Sun Mar 01, 2026 8:47 pm

Regulus2424 wrote:cuz these speech patterns


Dude, it's not cool to hate on people speaking a foreign language to the best of their ability.

Also, just to make things clear, I don't dislike the idea you proposed, although it's wa-ay too endgame and too specific for my taste, I'd rather prefer some much needed changes to basics to happen first.
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Re: A Sagely Dream!

Postby Regulus2424 » Sun Mar 01, 2026 8:57 pm

Hasta wrote:
Regulus2424 wrote:cuz these speech patterns


Dude, it's not cool to hate on people speaking a foreign language to the best of their ability.



I'm pretty sure that the problem actually starts before the translation, and they just talk like that, which I don't hate? But I do have a hard time understanding them sometimes, which can make discussion difficult. That or they use AI for translation and it does whatever it does to the original text (would not know much about that).

Hasta wrote:I'd rather prefer some much needed changes to basics to happen first.

do you mean basics in general, or specifically experience related?
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Re: A Sagely Dream!

Postby Hasta » Sun Mar 01, 2026 9:00 pm

Regulus2424 wrote:do you mean basics in general, or specifically experience related?


If we're getting sped-up worlds, some changes to Experience would be welcome, but I'd settle for a few (or a lot) of new experience-yielding events. It's not a lot of fun to burn through your starting exp with mirkwoods, been there, done that.
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