sharing explored maps (all clients)

[mvgulik]

It would be nice if explored (cached-)map data would/could be shared between clients. (for same character of course)

(without the use of external tools and/or editing of cached files/data ... although I don't mind knowing them, if there are any such hafen-tool availeble)

The first question in this case, as I don't know much about the Java and/or Hafen file caching system, would be: Is this currently technically even possible ?
Mind you, Just the map images. (Never mind the map markers for the moment)

If not possible: what would be the blocking factor(s) ?

None sharing character mapping example.
Default Client (top), Ender client (bottom)

(gray-band inside second image => mediocre screenshot software)

[shubla]

I don't see a reason why it couldn't be done, as long as custom client doesn't use some custom way to handle the map.

[ctopolon4]

ive already offered to devs make market and map tools into village claim (to not use 3'dside soft)
just make village claim a pseudo character which gains map tiles and markers from village members. and each villager could switch ctrl+a map for village or own.
and big villages will have someth like https://odditown.com/haven/map/
also make that villageClaim storing spreadsheets of barterstands its cover. and you will have (https://certainly-not-a-cat.github.io/f ... theme=dark) in each village

[Fostik]

IIRC, this issue caused by different path to store map data.
I'd rather say it's local problem, or problem with custom clients data path.

[mvgulik]

different path to store map data

If your thinking "custom client exported map tiles", your off target.

If your thinking cached map-resource files. ... what path do you mean ?

[borka]

Do i need to save the map data and transfer it over when switching to the updated client? I remember losing my explored map data when I went from vanilla to Amber client.

Would be nice to know since I plan on trying other clients out too in the future.

Purus is compatible with Vanilla map data, all other clients are compatible with Amber's format.

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Given that there are 3 clients activly developed should be 2 ways/formats how maps and markers get stored in cache:

1. loftars
2. romovs and Enders

Now running a short test with a good filled cache from Amber i ran fresh installed Ender ... same char, same place (Windows OS)

... too bad Ender didn't show any Amber stuff ... neither minimap, large map or markers ... it just dropped some new (known ones) into ...


left: original Amber
right: after Ender run (_Ender renamed by me afterwards)

conlusion:
Amber and Ender at least use the same cache path (which is true for loftar aswell - i know from older test with it) and source prove it

looks like 3 different ways/formats ...

interesting sidefact in windows registry Amber uses a folder named haven in java prefs ... while Ender pops an extra folder named hafen into that haven folder ...

(No folders or registry where harmed by the tests thanx to doing backups before )

after fidlling in client sources for an hour i got bored ...

[romovs]

Map data is saved based on the url it was fetched from. This is cross client. So for example, Amber uses "https://game.havenandhearth.com/hres/" (see run.bat/sh). So all the map tiles will be available from another client only if it uses https. If the client uses http then you will see diffident tiles.

I haven't looked at this in a while, so there might be some other nuances, but as long as the clients use the same "httpS" or "http" they should see the same map.

Bottom line, Amber, currently uses "https". Not sure whether the default or Ender use "http" or "https"

[borka]

aaah ty for clearing this ... as i just ran Ender by updater i don't have a clue whether it used https ... so i'll try again with a run.bat

nope even with https for res it doesn't work for me

(while i'm fine with Amber anyways and i prolly wouldn't change before loftar is done with client rewrite )

[Ardennesss]

Map data is saved based on the url it was fetched from. This is cross client. So for example, Amber uses "https://game.havenandhearth.com/hres/" (see run.bat/sh). So all the map tiles will be available from another client only if it uses https. If the client uses http then you will see diffident tiles.

I haven't looked at this in a while, so there might be some other nuances, but as long as the clients use the same "httpS" or "http" they should see the same map.

Bottom line, Amber, currently uses "https". Not sure whether the default or Ender use "http" or "https"

https and http are the only nuances I noticed myself, I think Boshaw spent some time deep diving into specifically how the map worked though since his client modified it's functionality quite a bit. Maybe he'll chime in on the capability for merges, I can at least attest that if you save a map object that other clients aren't familiar with you'll hard brick your cache and have to completely delete and start over.

[MagicManICT]

I'm a bit of an idiot when it comes to client modding here, but I have noticed that if you need to reinstall the standard client for any reason, you lose all your map markers and data. I haven't played on the default client since the change from JWS to standard Java, though, so might have changed. Seems like I asked about it at the time I had to do the reinstall.