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Coronavirus

Postby shubla » Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:37 pm

What are your thoughts? Will the world end?

Is coronavirus threat to world12, or maybe more players because everyone will be in quarantine?

Just 15 minutes ago there was a press conference in Finland where they announced quarantine of 130 people!
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Re: Coronavirus

Postby Geliotropvimd » Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:02 pm

Add coronavirus to the game!
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Re: Coronavirus

Postby vatas » Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:44 pm

Reminds me of how once in Salem my friend came to bring me medicine and my character promptly coughed on his face.
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Re: Coronavirus

Postby VDZ » Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:54 pm

Not just quarantine, people in seriously infected areas are forced to stay at home instead of going to work. That means more time for video games, including Haven (for those who can't just work from home).
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Re: Coronavirus

Postby Zentetsuken » Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:05 pm

These are the websites I am using to follow the numbers

https://ncov2019.live/data

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6

The thing that is fucking wild to me is how countries like Italy have such a exponential growth in reported cases and DEATHS compared to Chinese provinces.

These Chinese provinces took well over a month to initiate controversial hardcore containment and quarantining measures like literally welding people in to homes, meanwhile their numbers are somehow stagnant.

I really wonder if we will ever see any real data about the true impact and loss of lives that happened in these areas.
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Re: Coronavirus

Postby shubla » Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:53 pm

Zentetsuken wrote:These are the websites I am using to follow the numbers

https://ncov2019.live/data

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6

The thing that is fucking wild to me is how countries like Italy have such a exponential growth in reported cases and DEATHS compared to Chinese provinces.

These Chinese provinces took well over a month to initiate controversial hardcore containment and quarantining measures like literally welding people in to homes, meanwhile their numbers are somehow stagnant.

I really wonder if we will ever see any real data about the true impact and loss of lives that happened in these areas.

I think that only countries which have good and maybe remotely accurate numbers are european countries, south korea and japan. Possible US and some other developed countries.
Countries like china have issues in diagnosing and reporting all of the cases. So I wouldn't trust the new numbers from there, they probably just stopped diagnosing people or reporting numbers, as many provinces haven't had new cases in days, which obviously cannot be true.
Some developing countries, like India, have 0 or 1 cases reported, but I am pretty sure that India has at least the same amount of cases that China has, maybe even more, because lots of people in India and worse hygiene.
I highly doubt that we ever get real numbers from those countries (india, china, laos etc.)
https://hgis.uw.edu/virus/ I myself use this map which I find pleasant.

My prediction is (has been since yesterday) that there will be 100+ cases in Finland in end of the next week.

Of course the most interesting thing is, what happens after the corona pandemic. For example, there will probably be shortages on many things, because factories in China have not been working for long time. It shows how vulnerable the modern global economy is, when few things are manufactured fully locally, and parts are acquired from the cheapest countries possible.

I think that it is also interesting to see how Finland and other nordic countries react to this. "Liberal" values prevent from proper quarantine, government is very hesitant to restrict movement of people because of nordic values and what not. For example those 130 people (mostly children) who are in quarantine in Finland now, their other family members are not under quarantine, because "we follow same policy as other countries to not quarantine people without symptoms or close contact with confirmed infected people" we'll see how that ends...
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Re: Coronavirus

Postby Jalpha » Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:38 pm

It has little to do with maintaining liberal values and much more to do with economics.

Because if you restrict the freedom of movement of people you restrict the money they spend which shuts down trade and income. It might be sensible to close borders or have people stay at home but these measures are only relied upon as a last resort because nobody wants to lose income by implementing these measures earlier.

What do the lives of a few unproductive elderly matter in the face of ongoing economic growth.

I think we are just lucky this isn't a big one. Death rates are pretty low. I think the statistics on who is dying are interesting. But it does highlight what will happen if a worse virus appears.
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Re: Coronavirus

Postby shubla » Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:48 pm

Jalpha wrote:It has little to do with maintaining liberal values and much more to do with economics.

Because if you restrict the freedom of movement of people you restrict the money they spend which shuts down trade and income. It might be sensible to close borders or have people stay at home but these measures are only relied upon as a last resort because nobody wants to lose income by implementing these measures earlier.

What do the lives of a few unproductive elderly matter in the face of ongoing economic growth.

I think we are just lucky this isn't a big one. Death rates are pretty low. I think the statistics on who is dying are interesting. But it does highlight what will happen if a worse virus appears.

Economy thing is part of liberal values, look at what China did, they didn't care about economy, but decided to pretty much just shut everything down, even though the economic hit is massive.

There was an interesting writing on one Finnish newspaper about how the society would react if there was a need to seriously limit movement of people for common good, and not just by asking them, but possibly by using military/police forces to make sure that people indeed do not break these orders. How would it work in society like Finland (or sweden, norway etc.) Perhaps we will not see something like that with this illness, but it is an interesting thought.
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Re: Coronavirus

Postby VDZ » Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:04 pm

shubla wrote:Economy thing is part of liberal values, look at what China did, they didn't care about economy, but decided to pretty much just shut everything down, even though the economic hit is massive.


No they didn't. They censored any news on the coronavirus and intimidated doctors that tried to warn about it. Only when shit hit the fan did they take these measures, because they no longer had a choice (otherwise the economic damage would be even worse).
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Re: Coronavirus

Postby maze » Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:14 pm

in canada our health minter refuses to acknowledge the global problem.
Only saying get ready. its coming. "we have a plan"
what complete bullshit... they are waiting for it to hit hard.

They up security at air ports, but all you have to do when they ask for a test is say no.
we had full planes of people from Iran who we knew are infected and ever single one of them said no.
We know all the people on the plain and becomes we don't want to invade privacy will not go knocking on their doors.

We don't want to shutdown flights or our boarder.

but they have the gull here to say it's coming, start stocking up for quarantines. 2 weeks minimum.

All we can hope in canada is that it's to fking cold here so that it will go dormant and when it heats up that it suddenly dies from temperature shift.
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