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[The_Lich_King]

Motherfucker I can say I'm the terminator, doesn't make it true. Personally I'd be more worried about the guy openly viewing and distributing Cheese Pizza than the one who admitted to do something legal in their country one time and which may or may not be true in any case. A person saying something doesn't make it fact.

You're asking ME to provide evidence but not THEM? I'll provide as much evidence as they are providing which is entirely based on things he has said or posted online. So go read the things he has posted on the forum and in discord and you will come to the same conclusion, if not, you are clearly supporting the predator/pedophile SnuggleSnail.

They already did provide evidence. Its in Dawa's description but I also got a link to it elsewhere... anyone who cares can go there and see the evidence.

Misa said he fucked a 15 year old because he likes them fresh and you leap to his defense. That is called pedophile apologism. The fact that you think 'its not illegal where he is from' is an argument at all highlighted exactly what Whatever Bay is and why is heinously disgusting.

Let everyone reading this thread look at Kaios' post and understand why WB needs to be fought. Even if Misa was lying, them leaping to his defense is fostering an environment where pedophiles can brag to each other and have their nice little predator village all defended by the shield of 'people say anything online' 'its legal in their country' 'this person likes cringe loli anime things so they are just as bad as someone who bragged about fucking a 15 year old' ... They are the pedophile apologist village.

Their environment of pedo inclusiveness must be fought.

[Kaios]

ok it's pretty sad that you couldn't even pick up on the fact that I was quite literally using the exact same argument for Snail that is being used for Misa. There is also a ton more "evidence" of Snail being a degenerate piece of garbage compared to Misa, but you support their argument and not mine? For what reason? It's the same thing in both cases, you're just being biased for some unknown reason. I really don't get it.

My actual opinion on the matter is don't interact with these people in-game if you don't like them. I don't give a fuck what some dumbass across the world may or may not have done. What is so difficult about allowing players to simply enjoy the game for as long they can before some chump like Snail comes along to ruin it for them? Like I've said before if you really believe a crime has been committed, then report it to the proper authorities. If not, stfu.

[The_Lich_King]

ok it's pretty sad that you couldn't even pick up on the fact that I was quite literally using the exact same argument for Snail that is being used for Misa. There is also a ton more "evidence" of Snail being a degenerate piece of garbage compared to Misa, but you support their argument and not mine? For what reason? It's the same thing in both cases, you're just being biased for some unknown reason. I really don't get it.

My actual opinion on the matter is don't interact with these people in-game if you don't like them. I don't give a fuck what some dumbass across the world may or may not have done. What is so difficult about allowing players to simply enjoy the game for as long they can before some chump like Snail comes along to ruin it for them regardless of what they have done.

People have said for years "There is way more evidence for Snail" to me for years. But nobody has offered any.

Misa on the otherhand... I've seen those posts with my own eyes.

On the day when someone makes a post showing Snail bragging about fucking a 15 year my position will change too,

"Snail and Whatever Bay need to be removed from the game."

I also think removing Snail would be a net positive on the game its just Snail, unlike Misa, isn't heinously evil.

Unless of course someone can pit forward the aforementioned evidence in which case i withdraw that statement and Snail is heinously evil.

[Kaios]

Now who doesn't want to take the L so badly? To the point that they are defending a truly degenerate piece of trash.

Nice one buddy.

[The_Lich_King]

Now who doesn't want to take the L so badly? To the point that they are defending a truly degenerate piece of trash.

Nice one buddy.

Lol this copium is so real xD

[vatas]

When I was actively diving into the dumpster fire that was Misaposting (around October), I consulted a person outside the Haven community. We came to the conclusion that the scenario described by Misa was disturbingly "realistic." This doesn't mean we fully believe he did it - just that it's hard to dismiss it as "just a joke." Also if we assume it's a joke, where's the funny part?

One of the few posts by Misa's forum account "TheServant" that wasn't just adding more fuel to the fire, he tried to backtrack the story by claiming it was "just a kiss." Not that it was a joke/troll that went way too far.

While I hold that I haven't been "grossly negligent" when it comes to managing this situation - I recognize that significant chunk of this shitstorm, perhaps even majority of it, likely could've been avoided - had I simply replied to Snail, vagueposting in my Discord DMs all the way back in June, like this:

>you make very serious allegation
>you have the burden of proof
>spoonfeed me the evidence

[Kaios]

While I hold that I haven't been "grossly negligent" when it comes to managing this situation - I recognize that significant chunk of this shitstorm, perhaps even majority of it, likely could've been avoided - had I simply...

Had you simply Hel'd the posts? Taken the discussion to private and not involved the rest of the community in this garbage? Requested that the devs clarify their stance on such matters being posted about in the first place?

Frankly, detective, it's not your duty to play Sherlock Holmes. Keeping the forum clean and community friendly should be the main priority. If potential or new players are reading any of this crap I very much doubt it's going to cause them to think "wow, now that's a community I want to engage with!"

[The_Lich_King]

While I hold that I haven't been "grossly negligent" when it comes to managing this situation - I recognize that significant chunk of this shitstorm, perhaps even majority of it, likely could've been avoided - had I simply...

Had you simply Hel'd the posts? Taken the discussion to private and not involved the rest of the community in this garbage? Requested that the devs clarify their stance on such matters being posted about in the first place?

Frankly, detective, it's not your duty to play Sherlock Holmes. Keeping the forum clean and community friendly should be the main priority. If potential or new players are reading any of this crap I very much doubt it's going to cause them to think "wow, now that's a community I want to engage with!"

So we have to lie too new players and hide the fact that there is a person who "allegedly" had sex with a 15 year old and likewise silence the outrage?

I am actually glad it all came to light. The community new players are seeing is the one that exists in reality and if they want to disengage with the community cause there are pedophile apologists here then more power to them.

I'd rather be realistic and honest about our community then hide it away. Only by being open about it will we stand a chance to repair it.

[Kaios]

The fuck is vatas supposed to do with that information? Ban him from the forum? Clearly not if it hasn't happened already, and he can't ban him from the game only jorb or loftar could do that. What is the end result that you guys are expecting here?

[The_Lich_King]

The fuck is vatas supposed to do with that information? Ban him from the forum? Clearly not if it hasn't happened already, and he can't ban him from the game only jorb or loftar could do that. What is the end result that you guys are expecting here?

Ban him from the forum, convince jorb to ban him from game, set a precedent that we don't tolerate pedophiles or pro-pedophilia rhetoric here so they can't turn our game into their safespace.

Thus far that has not happened but I'm still gonna support any attempt to fight WB and Misa ingame and on the forums.