Something between Palisade and Roundpole Fence

[Gedrean]

So, I'm new--ish, I admit - while I have concepts of the game and various things down, there are at times a few things I miss, and I learn new things each day. So, while I'm kinda new, I'm not bad at this, and I'm not blaming others for my mistakes -- I learned after I had stuff stolen from my claim that I should protect myself.

So, I look up what it takes to work with a Palisade - lots of materials, lots of clearcutting. Kinda unenjoyable, and I really don't have the surrounding HUGE MILES OF FOREST to clearcut, so it's not really possible for me - not even remotely in the size of a reasonable claim, -- maybe if I wanted to just palisade around my house leaving a 1-square distance between house and fence to walk...

Then I look into Roundpole fence - very little material cost, but very easy to destroy, doesn't keep you safe from bears, boars, etc, these animals can then camp you to starve you out. Sucks, but whatever. I see that the gate is not lockable - but that makes sense given that the fence sections are destroyable without any weapon, so why would the gate be lockable.

So, I want something lockable - I have to go to Palisade. Maybe I can clearcut something some ways away and slowly carry those logs back. It'll take a while, but I guess I can cope with doing nothing for twenty straight RL hours, but building a palisade, while thieves are still robbing me blind.

Then I see -- if I decide after building my Palisade that I want to do something different (I've, perhaps, built it too small and need to expand), it's going to take a freakin' miracle to do, because I have to blow through so much distance with a battering ram. That's a lot of work and really really concerning.

Why can't there be a locked-gate-capable fence between roundpole and palisade. Make it like... I dunno, like a privacy fence. Takes boards, rope, not nearly as strong as a palisade (maybe require at most 60 str to damage with a weapon, or something like that). Lockable - and suited to keeping out random vandals and thieves, but not good for preventing city warfare which is really what a palisade is built for - a wall around a village, not a wall around a claim. Also, a middle option would be adjustable as needs for a claim increase.

I mean, seriously, the fence serves only the most basic deterrant to someone with Theft, and the Palisade serves a great deterrant to a player NOT wanting to completely clearcut the quarter-mile space around his home, so where's the middle ground? There's got to be a fortification which is not extremely powerful (it's destroyable) but at least is lockable against thieves not wanting to spend a whole day breaking down the wall to get in.

Seriously, a little middle ground for us players who want to move up from being screwed all the time. I'm sick and tired of the game basically rewarding players who spent the first five days of play grinding so they could get theft, and basically live off the efforts of those players who, god forbid, PLAY THE EFFING GAME instead of clearcutting forests to make 1001 arabian baskets with Scheherazade.

[sabinati]

i think you may be overestimating the material cost. after the initial cornerpost cost of 100 blocks, glue, leather and ropes, each segment that you extend from that corner is only 3 blocks, and each cornerpost you add from and extension is only 10 blocks.

[gt4329b]

i think you may be overestimating the material cost. after the initial cornerpost cost of 100 blocks, glue, leather and ropes, each segment that you extend from that corner is only 3 blocks, and each cornerpost you add from and extension is only 10 blocks.

Each additional cornerpost is actually 30 blocks, not 10; gates are 30 blocks as well.

I'm definitely with Sab on this one - and this is fresh on my mind, as I just palisaded in my compound last night If you're in forest terrain, there are plenty of trees around. Look at it this way: every three fir trees gets you 28 wall segments.

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1 tree == 2 logs + 1* stump
          == 2 * (12 blocks) + 1 * (4 blocks)
          == 28 blocks

3 trees == 3 * 28 blocks
           == 84 blocks

3 blocks == 1 wall segment

84 blocks == 28 wall segments


[Punkk]

While I agree the cost isn't high at all, what about some alternatives that require, if not easier-to-get, different materials such as clay, bough, straw?

[vikingdragons]

building a palisade isn't hard, but i can understand your want of new fence. this general idea has been suggested before, the one i remeber is a stone fence. i think a stone fence or stone wall would be better for this kind of role. not as tough as a palisade or brickwall, but capable of keeping out animals and unarmed low strenght intruders. a battering ram woudl take it down no problem, but a stone axe and 30+ strenght (<-WAG) would be a better solution overall.
din't mean for this to come across as thread stealing or something, and sorry if it did, just an expansion on your idea.

[dra6o0n]

Spiked Fences - Has the unique feature of better durability at a higher cost than a roundpole fence, but cost less than a Palisade. Uses more simple materials and ropes.

Durability: 2x higher than Roundpole fence ~ 50% less durability than a Palisade. The middle grounds of walls basically.

Cost: Wood blocks + Board + Lots of Rope (essentially a bit more rope per fence than palisade)

Unique trait: Inflicts minor damage back to "attacker" and is able to hold back all animals (rodents would still crawl under it) to some extent... Maybe Bears are the only creature capable of inflicting damage on the fence itself if you aggravate them. How it works is that if the bear cannot reach you, and it's "berserked" it will inflict a fixed amount of durability damage to the fence in front of it, and take 25% of that loss as damage. The fence's trait can't kill, can only bring their health to 1, meaning you must absolutely finish it off if you plan to use it against a bear. It can have a option of "crippling" the bear's movement (the friggin bear attacked a spiked wall), when it runs away from you, it'll be at a slower speed.

[vikingdragons]

i think a Row of Spikes type obstacle should be seperate from a fence or wall. that way you could put them anywhere you didn't want someone to just walk across. like say, the edge of a short-term siege camp/rally point to slow down a pesky preemptive strike long enough to ready the archers.

[humanalien]

stone wall maybe with stones, clay/soil and some sticks as construction material

[SeanPan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattle_and_daub

Seems like an obvious solution. Lattice of mud and wood.

[novaalpha]

Stone wall is a great idea and has been suggested before.