More Village Stuff

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More Village Stuff

Postby DatOneGuy » Sun May 01, 2011 6:52 am

Some things in general that have been bugging me recently that I have fun doing but don't scale well are village things.

Mining isn't as party friendly as before because you need to dedicate a character no throwaway alts really.
Bannering was always somewhat boring (can be fun but rarely is).
It would be nice to see an alternative to gaining authority to Steel and Linen. Something more 'village' oriented like mining previously was (not steel that was boring)

Static authority objects (Not expanding influence, simply gaining authority).
Something like Charterstone that stays in one place but this would add authority (Let's say 50k Auth) and worth a lot, takes one tile.
Could be used nicely for decoration or such?

Silk banners - Would be nice alternative for `looks` to regular banners. Show off how great you are (but also somewhat useful alternative ;))

Paving would definitely be something that could be more multiple-people happy.
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Re: More Village Stuff

Postby theTrav » Sun May 01, 2011 7:05 am

Not such a fan of this.

Using items for authority lets people set up villages that will never ever disappear, even if they abandon them for ever.

Villages should be relatively easy to keep around for active players, but inactive players should be automatically cleaned up after to some degree
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Re: More Village Stuff

Postby novaalpha » Sun May 01, 2011 7:11 am

Mining is just fine.

Yes to silk banners.
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Re: More Village Stuff

Postby DatOneGuy » Sun May 01, 2011 8:55 am

theTrav wrote:Not such a fan of this.

Using items for authority lets people set up villages that will never ever disappear, even if they abandon them for ever.

Villages should be relatively easy to keep around for active players, but inactive players should be automatically cleaned up after to some degree

They should drain authority the same way current villages do.

A standard village has 250k Authority and drains 5k an ingame day (15k an IRL day)
This lasts 16 2/3 days from full authority to nothing.
13 1/3 days from full authority to 50k.

Banners and Statues change this ratio of drain:Authority.

Village: 250,000/15000 = 16.67 Days
Banner: 13,000 / 750 = 17.33 Days
Statue: 25,000 / 1050 = 23.80 Days

The more banners/statues you have the more you raise that number, statues raising it the most, but the highest you could ever get is at that cap of 24 days.

I would propose that these authority objects have something more like (harder to build, much harder, but stationary and not adding any `claim area` to the village)
100,000 / 4000 = 25 Days
50,000 / 2,500 = 20 Days


novaalpha wrote:Mining is just fine.

How do you manage fun and engaging mining parties?
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Re: More Village Stuff

Postby novaalpha » Sun May 01, 2011 9:03 am

DatOneGuy wrote:How do you manage fun and engaging mining parties?

I mine solo and do not feel that this activity requires more than one person.
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Re: More Village Stuff

Postby DatOneGuy » Sun May 01, 2011 9:08 am

novaalpha wrote:
DatOneGuy wrote:How do you manage fun and engaging mining parties?

I mine solo and do not feel that this activity requires more than one person.

It doesn't require it, however how we did it back in W3 Sodom was very fun and engaging for many people (10+).
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Re: More Village Stuff

Postby theTrav » Mon May 02, 2011 12:18 am

oh, ok, so you want them to increase the maximum storable authority,
as opposed to generate authority.

I think I may have misinterpreted your initial post. I don't have a problem with extra authority stores, with the massive size personal claims can reach I think it'd probably be important for small villages to be able to contest that.
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Re: More Village Stuff

Postby DatOneGuy » Mon May 02, 2011 1:38 am

theTrav wrote:oh, ok, so you want them to increase the maximum storable authority,
as opposed to generate authority.

I think I may have misinterpreted your initial post. I don't have a problem with extra authority stores, with the massive size personal claims can reach I think it'd probably be important for small villages to be able to contest that.

Yeah, I'm definitely against authority being automatic, as it is a small little bot with automatic login can easily have villagers in the wild grabbing cone cows and constantly generating authority.
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Re: More Village Stuff

Postby MagicManICT » Mon May 02, 2011 8:04 pm

Haven't been watching village threads too closely, so ignore this if it's been suggested.

Some way to extend the VC up or down levels.

It'd probably take too much code work. The cave entrances all line up neatly for the most part.(Yeah, I've seen the null-space caves and the dead end ones that go in 10 tiles and don't quite hit the main cave section.
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Re: More Village Stuff

Postby DatOneGuy » Mon May 02, 2011 8:09 pm

MagicManICT wrote:Haven't been watching village threads too closely, so ignore this if it's been suggested.

Some way to extend the VC up or down levels.

It'd probably take too much code work. The cave entrances all line up neatly for the most part.(Yeah, I've seen the null-space caves and the dead end ones that go in 10 tiles and don't quite hit the main cave section.

Talked to loftar about it in IRC, looks like we'll eventually see it, but everything about is still very up in the air, hard to decide how it should be handled to properly go up/down levels.
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