Stats not permanent

[bitza]

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[SuperNoob]

thats a stupid, idiotic, gamebreaking idea!

Yeah, totally gamebreaking. 100%.

glad you finally get that.

if you don't grind you shouldn't expect people who do to have stats that look the same as yours.

when it comes down to it they have the absolute best gear in the game(super mega +13 armor), are highest levels in the game(by leaps and bounds if there isn't a level cap), and can kill almost everyone else in the game.

The idea is to remove the need for grinding. It is clearly written several times in this thread. However I realize that informing you of that means nothing, because you're far too dense to actually understand it, I guess.

there is no need to grind, people grind because they want to be competetive. as I said if you don't want to grind you don't have to. maybe you need to learn the definitions of need and want. like you need to eat or you'll die, but you only want to play a game.

It also seem like you've played a lot of Korean MMOs, judging by your references of +13 armors and cash shops. Do you feel those games are good and should be looked to for an example of how a game should be? If so, you're way more dumb than I would have ever thought.

where did I mention cash shops? also I've played too many MMO's to ever know where they're from...

I also feel like pointing out the fact that you were ejecting from this thread about 4 or 5 posts ago, but yet, you just keep coming back for more.

now as long as neither of you refer to me again I'm gone from this thread and its dumb ass idea. bye now

I don't want to be here, the idea was horrible, the person supporting it(you) is a complete moron, and since you apparently don't want me to be here as much as I don't want to be here, stop talking about me and you won't have to worry about me being here. if you could read you'd already know that.

[Scubas]

You can't have a RPG without grinding.
It looks like the expectations you got from action RPG developments are impacting your views on indie mmorpgs...

I'm sorry, can you show me in the definition of a Role Playing game where it says you have to grind stats for it to be so?

No? Because that's definitely not a thing you have to do for it to be an RPG? You don't say!

A role playing game is a game in which you role play something you are not in real life. How many people do you hear bitching about grinding when they play Dungeons and Dragons? 0. Because the game is built around the encounters being fun, and it has nothing to do with grinding stats. Leveling up is just a thing that happens as you progress in the game, gaining stats is not the whole point of the damn game though

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While I appreciate the use of GunShow, I'm sorry, but no one here is getting mad at video games. Rather, the fuckwits that just so happen to be on the forum of the video games.

[SuperNoob]

While I appreciate the use of GunShow, I'm sorry, but no one here is getting mad at video games. Rather, the fuckwits that just so happen to be on the forum of the video games.

actually you're mad at the game, or you wouldn't want it to be so drasticly changed as to make it impossible for those who want to play hard to do so. my only guess is you're getting your ass handed to you by some of those grinders and you don't want to grind to catch up to them.

now please stop referring to me so I can stay out of this thread

[Scubas]

While I appreciate the use of GunShow, I'm sorry, but no one here is getting mad at video games. Rather, the fuckwits that just so happen to be on the forum of the video games.

actually you're mad at the game, or you wouldn't want it to be so drasticly changed as to make it impossible for those who want to play hard to do so. my only guess is you're getting your ass handed to you by some of those grinders and you don't want to grind to catch up to them.
now please stop referring to me so I can stay out of this thread

I never asked you to come back, dipshit. This suggestion doesn't make the game impossible for anyone, let alone people with nothing better to do than grind q400 hemp. At this point, I sort of hope you're trolling. At least then, your utterly fucking moronic posts will make sense.

Your guess was wrong, but good try, I suppose? I've played since mid-w5 and my only death ever was early in w6 at the hands of ainran. I honestly was pretty butthurt about it at the time, until I realized how inexperienced with combat I was, so that incident sparked me learning how to fight in the game. The haven combat system is one of my favorites of all time, it's just plagued by bullshit. Anyone that says skill is more important than stats is just plain off their meds. I also think CDDT is one thing that's really hampering combat as it stands today.

My main reason behind the support of this idea is the fact that I'm burning out on the game considering that plowing 1 square of land and drinking so you can eat a shitload of boiled eggs is actually a thing that people do on purpose, and if I choose not to do it (because it's boring, and it's bullshit), I will be essentially out of the ''competition''. I would like for there to be a more interesting method of gaining stats rather than chewing on ant larva and eating honey buns until I shit out an AGI point.

What is so goddamn bad about that, honestly.

[dragonxkai]

A game with PvP is always gonna be competitive.
A game in pve with economics is gonna have competition in economics.
Humans will always compare themselves to others.

Without a grind for typical games, there wouldn't be a point to the game's lifespan. Barriers in games can be a grind.

If you played the classic games on the SNES and such, you ever wonder why they put in scores and stages where repetitive enemies and puzzles reoccur?

Try playing a game that is socially disconnected and see how long you'll last.

[dragonxkai]

Play final fantasy games without leveling up much by avoiding encounters and see it takes ya.

Also your latest post sound like you are ripping on the game because some no lifers are able to play 48 hours sessions and goes on a extermination spree...

Also these people know the game good enough to get up to 50k lp in 24 hours.
You sound like you had to huddle in a corner to slowly build up resources while they do so in a group.

[dagrimreefah]

While I appreciate the use of GunShow, I'm sorry, but no one here is getting mad at video games. Rather, the fuckwits that just so happen to be on the forum of the video games.

actually you're mad at the game, or you wouldn't want it to be so drasticly changed as to make it impossible for those who want to play hard to do so. my only guess is you're getting your ass handed to you by some of those grinders and you don't want to grind to catch up to them.
now please stop referring to me so I can stay out of this thread

I never asked you to come back, dipshit. This suggestion doesn't make the game impossible for anyone, let alone people with nothing better to do than grind q400 hemp. At this point, I sort of hope you're trolling. At least then, your utterly fucking moronic posts will make sense.

Your guess was wrong, but good try, I suppose? I've played since mid-w5 and my only death ever was early in w6 at the hands of ainran. I honestly was pretty butthurt about it at the time, until I realized how inexperienced with combat I was, so that incident sparked me learning how to fight in the game. The haven combat system is one of my favorites of all time, it's just plagued by bullshit. Anyone that says skill is more important than stats is just plain off their meds. I also think CDDT is one thing that's really hampering combat as it stands today.

My main reason behind the support of this idea is the fact that I'm burning out on the game considering that plowing 1 square of land and drinking so you can eat a shitload of boiled eggs is actually a thing that people do on purpose, and if I choose not to do it (because it's boring, and it's bullshit), I will be essentially out of the ''competition''. I would like for there to be a more interesting method of gaining stats rather than chewing on ant larva and eating honey buns until I shit out an AGI point.

What is so goddamn bad about that, honestly.

Sounds like Wizards 101, Barbie's Beach Blast and Farmville are the games for you.

[SuperNoob]

I never asked you to come back, dipshit. This suggestion doesn't make the game impossible for anyone, let alone people with nothing better to do than grind q400 hemp. At this point, I sort of hope you're trolling. At least then, your utterly fucking moronic posts will make sense.

now please stop referring to me so I can stay out of this thread

by mentioning my name you're asking me to come back. you don't want me here don't put my name in your posts. pretty basic logic if you're not a dumb ass.

Your guess was wrong, but good try, I suppose? I've played since mid-w5 and my only death ever was early in w6 at the hands of ainran. I honestly was pretty butthurt about it at the time, until I realized how inexperienced with combat I was, so that incident sparked me learning how to fight in the game. The haven combat system is one of my favorites of all time, it's just plagued by bullshit. Anyone that says skill is more important than stats is just plain off their meds. I also think CDDT is one thing that's really hampering combat as it stands today.

if you've played that long and only died once then you're not really playing, sounds to me like you're more than likely just hiding in your walls hoping noone bothers you.

My main reason behind the support of this idea is the fact that I'm burning out on the game considering that plowing 1 square of land and drinking so you can eat a shitload of boiled eggs is actually a thing that people do on purpose, and if I choose not to do it (because it's boring, and it's bullshit), I will be essentially out of the ''competition''. I would like for there to be a more interesting method of gaining stats rather than chewing on ant larva and eating honey buns until I shit out an AGI point.

if you're burnt out on the game quit. don't support an idea just to ruin it for everyone else. again as I said you don't have to grind! plenty of people play this game as lone hermits on their little plot and get along with their neighbors(who are much stronger and willing to protect them in some instances) because they don't want to do the whole grind thing. if you choose to grind, then grind. if you choose not to grind then stay out of the way and stop hoping to compete.

What is so goddamn bad about that, honestly.

go back through this thread and read all my posts. look at what I posted and actually think it through. while you may not want to be competetive there are many others that do(most of the people who play actually) and by removing their ability to compete you ruin their will to play.

A game with PvP is always gonna be competitive.
A game in pve with economics is gonna have competition in economics.
Humans will always compare themselves to others.

Without a grind for typical games, there wouldn't be a point to the game's lifespan. Barriers in games can be a grind.

If you played the classic games on the SNES and such, you ever wonder why they put in scores and stages where repetitive enemies and puzzles reoccur?

Try playing a game that is socially disconnected and see how long you'll last.

he sums it up nicely. people are competetive by nature. honestly, whats the point in playing an online game if you don't want to compete with others? go get yourself a game console, a few games and look up some cheats on the internet, that way theres absolutely no competition involved! if you don't want to do that:

Sounds like Wizards 101, Barbie's Beach Blast and Farmville are the games for you.

[Scubas]

Fucking elitists.

Enjoy being the glorious Haven and Hearth Hardcore gaming master race. Some of you people in this fucking forum community belong at Neogaf. At least, then you'd be pissing in an ocean that is already made of piss.

The way Haven is now, is bad. Even the dev's realize that. So eat up this "perfect system" while you fucking can, because eventually if they decide to continue working on this game, the walls are gonna collapse around you, and you dumbfounded dipshits will undoubtedly cry and ask why they ruined, what is apparent to me based on most of your opinions, an already flawless game (in alpha state) with no room for change or improvement.

I've got nothing else to say to you biased, thoughtless fanboys. Ejecting now. Maybe I'll download Hello Kitty island adventure just to spite you. I'd probably have more fun on there than grinding flax for months on end.