THE SPEECH OF TRASIMACHUSAll this is looked at by Schmitt, not only as the situation of Germany, of the Weimar Republic, of Hitler's coming to power, but, underneath, what always happens.
In this, Schmitt is as cold and cynical as Hobbes.
The opinion of these people is that this is the human condition, because man is a political animal and therefore the deepest knot of life that governs all lives, and has in this dialectic its heart, its mechanism, there is nothing to be done, things go like this and can only go like this because there cannot be a law that establishes the law.
Even on a strictly logical level, if you establish the law, you who establish it are not subject to a previous law, because then another would have established it, and so on.
So the law is the most unjust thing there is.
The law is the most violent thing there is.
Do you understand the paradoxes it comes to? huh?
The law is the most inhuman thing there is.
You can understand that in contrast to this way of seeing and doing, throughout the ages, anarchic tendencies have developed, individualistic tendencies, tendencies that think that yes the state is beneficial in some respects but that it is basically a misfortune for many others.
Well, these thoughts were by no means thought by Hobbes first, and he knew it very well, because he was, by the way, a translator of Thucydides, he knew Greek culture perfectly well, but rather they are readable, in a very effective way, and now we are going to enjoy reading a page from Plato, in the Republic, Plato's masterpiece, you might say, where he reasons about justice and the state. There, Socrates, the usual protagonist of Plato's dialogues, his master, is reasoning with some interlocutors who meet one night in Piraeus, where there is the port of Athens (this is all very symbolic, the port of Athens means going down into the guts, going down into the belly of the city, where there is trade, commerce, prostitutes, thieves, but also of course entrepreneurs, workers, sailors, because politics is done there).
This dialogue, I'll just mention it, is an extraordinary thing, it's like the Divine Comedy, that is, Plato brings to life in the heart of this discussion that lasts passionately all night long touching upon themes such as, what is just and what is not just, who is the just man and who is the unjust man, well, in this regard he makes the dead speak, those who participate in the Republic are all dead, they are his brothers, Plato's brothers, they are the great tyrants who had brought Athens back under the aristocracy, and then they are the representatives of democracy, the very ones who will kill Socrates, so, all these dead, reborn in Plato's dialogue, who ask themselves, opposing each other, dialoguing strongly, what destroyed the city? That, in fact, it was destroyed, it had lost the Peloponnesian war against Sparta, it had then had the rule of the thirty tyrants, and it had then freed itself with a democratic revolution, but the democrats were more corrupt than the tyrants, they themselves had killed the most honest and good citizen of the community, Socrates.
In short, there is all this drama.
We will take a specific point, a point at which, after Socrates has spoken to the first interlocutors in this dialogue, the son of Cephalus, then his own brothers, among the various interlocutors there is the great Thrasymachus, one of the great rhetoricians, supporter of tyranny, supporter of strong government, a supporter of the need for an iron fist and thus of the authoritarian turn after the Peloponnesian War, which had been lost by the republicans, the democrats, and thus obviously the scales were tipped the other way, power was back in the hands of the powerful, aristocratic, wealthy families, who, however, were then naturally accused of being overbearing, of being corrupt, of being in many cases cruel.
Thrasymachus enters the discussion, furious at the chatter, he says, that Socrates and his friends are doing, sissy chatter, and he says, now I will explain how things are, and he says it in two moments, we will read them both, and what I invite you to do is to exercise your ear and think about us, we think that these same things are being said by one of our politicians at a rally, today, and you'll make the shocking discovery that they're just as good today, maybe they're not as fierce and bold because they don't have the guts, they're television entertainment puppets, television stars, whereas in these dialogues there's no television, but anyway what they would be very comfortable saying and what they mean underneath is just that.
Thrasymachus says to Socrates.
"Listen then, Thrasymachus began. What I say is that 'just' or 'right' means nothing but what is to the interest of the stronger party".
"Don't you know, then, that a state may be ruled by a despot, or a democracy, or an aristocracy?
And that the ruling element is always the strongest?
Well then, in every case the laws are made by the ruling party in its own interest; a democracy makes democratic laws, a despot autocratic ones, and so on. By making these laws they define as 'right' for their subjects whatever is for their own interest, and they call anyone who breaks them a 'wrongdoer' and punish him accordingly. That is what I mean: in all states alike 'right' has the same meaning, namely what is for the interest of the party established in power, and that is the strongest. So the sound conclusion is that what is 'right' is the same everywhere: the interest of the stronger party."And Thrasymachus, again.
"Socrates, have you a nurse?
Because she lets you go about sniffling like a child whose nose wants wiping.
She hasn't even taught you to know a shepherd when you see one, or his sheep either.
Why, you imagine that a herdsman studies the interests of his flocks or cattle, tending and fattening them up with some other end in view than his master's profit or his own; and so you don't see that, in politics, the genuine ruler regards his subjects exactly like sheep, and thinks of nothing else, night and day, but the good he can get out of them for himself. You are so far out in your notions of right and wrong, justice and injustice, as not to know that 'right' actually means what is good for someone else, and to be 'just' means serving the interest of the stronger who rules, at the cost of the subject who obeys; whereas injustice is just the reverse, asserting its authority over those innocents who are called just, so that they minister solely to their master's advantage and happiness, and not in the least degree to their own. Innocent as you are yourself, Socrates, you must see that a just man always has the worst of it.
Take a private business: when a partnership is wound up, you will never find that the more honest of two partners comes off with the larger share; and in their relations to the state, when there are taxes to be paid, the honest man will pay more than the other on the same amount of property; or if there is money to be distributed, the dishonest will get it all. When either of them hold some public office, even if the just man loses in no other way, his private affairs at any rate will suffer from neglect, while his principles will not allow him to help himself from the public funds; not to mention the offence he will give to his friends and relations by refusing to sacrifice those principles to do them a good turn. Injustice has all the opposite advantages. I am speaking of the type I described just now, the man who can get the better of other people on a large scale: you must fix your eye on him, if you want to judge how much it is to one's own interest not to be just. You can see that best in the most consummate form of injustice, which rewards wrongdoing with supreme welfare and happiness and reduces its victims, if they won't retaliate in kind, to misery. That form is despotism, which uses force or fraud to plunder the goods of others, public or private, sacred or profane, and to do it in a wholesale way. If you are caught committing anyone of these crimes on a small scale, you are punished and disgraced; they call it sacrilege, kidnapping, burglary, theft and brigandage. But if, besides taking their property, you turn all your countrymen into slaves, you will hear no more of those ugly names; your countrymen themselves will call you the happiest of men and bless your name, and so will everyone who hears of such a complete triumph of injustice; for when people denounce injustice, it is because they are afraid of suffering wrong, not of doing it. So true is it, Socrates, that injustice, on a grand enough scale, is superior to justice in strength and freedom and autocratic power; and 'right,' as I said at first, means simply what serves the interest of the stronger party; 'wrong' means what is for the interest and profit of oneself".Source: The Republic of Plato