At the Crossroads of what is and what could be?

[Nocturnal-Rainbows]

You claim to like pvp but also not like pvp and you keep saying well known pvpers are shit but also you cant beat them because of some secret insurmountable advantages or something. Do you really not see the copium in your logic? If you were better at the game do you really think youd still be crying this much? ur a fish crying about the sharks while u eat the plankton and bragging about it. every post is bitterness against the sharks for being better than u, calling them crybabies, casuals, unfair advantage abusers, etc just accept the truth that ur getting outplayed in a low skill game thats all it is

m8 this reeks of projection. This is why I have a hard time taking you seriously, you haven't understood my position at all. I'm struggling to think up how I can make it any clearer than I already have but I'll give it another whirl using a different formatting method.
1. You keep saying all these players are better than me and that I'm getting outskilled and yet I have never died in PvP. I've lived right next to AD in multiple worlds, had dafels, mulder and frost constantly lurking and checking up on my place trying to catch me out. I've had a world where me and like 3 other friends spawned in next to Ozzy and co and both our groups were griefing each other and we kept breaking their claim post, their house and evict ko'd them until they left and went somewhere else. W15 that we've just been on I lived directly 1 river over from snail. Literally 2 minutes away. Didn't get KO'd, didn't die, I was using the swamp right next to their clown base all game for over a month before I quit from burnout. As per usual.
I'm not really sure what else you expect from me as a hermit lol. What am I supposed to be doing? Solo killing the big villages? Come on now. I think I've done a fine job at surviving.
2. I don't like group PvP. I don't want to join a village, I don't expect to be able fight off villages alone. My MO is doing my own thing, PvPing people around me that aren't associated with the big villages (and I do this with looting in mind), doing small skirmishes here and there and generally avoided the big villages and their players. Cloak and dagger.
I have joined some big villages in the past, tried that playstyle, which is how I came to the conclusion that I'm not interested in it. I like small, fruitful skirmishes that result in big payouts.
We can keep going back and forth on this all you like but the reality is I know myself better than you know me. If I say I don't want to join any big villages anymore and that I think group PvP is shit, you saying that I do want to join them and that I only don't like group pvp because I'm bad is a hard lol tbh. Every game I've PvP'd in I've done it alone or with my IRL mate, even when those games essentially had the same thing going as this game. They had guilds, they had factions, I rarely ever joined any of them and in the instances where I did, I got bored very quickly and cut my ties with them.
3. I call out botting and alt abuse because they ruin the game and are legitimately unfair in their current iteration. If botting is going to be part of the game and unregulated, then it should be made available to everyone, not just some guys who have coding knowledge or who are on good terms with a coder. If that happened in any other game those people would be referred to as cheaters because ofc they are, they're using a private 3rd party program to automate their industry and feed their characters. Botting to alleviate chore repetition I can forgive, alts I can't, they're almost always used for nefarious means, they're almost always used to do something on a throwaway character while your main is safe, they need to go or at minimum only be allowed on a single account. Multi account usage shouldn't be allowed.

In a lot of UO servers there's a botting/macro/hotkey program called Razor and it's universally used and PUBLIC. On the servers where it's allowed nobody complains about it because it's seen as part of the game, and everyone has access to it. Now if that weren't the case and instead only one guy or one guy and his guild had it, that would quite literally be considered cheating with the use of a third-party program because the advantages it provides are unmistakable... Automation is cheating in many many aspects. An aim bot is just automated aiming.

nobody wants a world of archery meta, it would be ridiculous

The archery meta thing was overblown, there were a handful of archers in those worlds where it was strong. The bulk of people were still building unarmed/melee. They just didn't like having their retarded pvp loop altered and refused to adapt.
I for one thought it was very based. If everyone was an archer, I'd have shit on it too and would have stood by the people saying it needed to be changed, but out of every group of 10 pvpers there would be like 1-2 archers. That's just a balanced team comp IMO and they performed the role they were supposed to.

Im not sure what the cave claiming situation is.

Ozzy and co tracked and killed snails group in their cave this world. viewtopic.php?f=80&t=74799
Early game should be unsafe, there's already too much safety once a pali goes up. Having cave entrances be blocked by claim poles is cringe which is what snail began advocating for after dying this world in their cave.

Why would PvPers not want a pvp dungeon? Where is this thread and who is shitting themselves? sounds funny to me but obviously its not gonna be a popular idea

The cringecord hates the idea. They got the wrong idea at first and thought I was talking about a dungeon which you fight through whilst on a boat when that wasn't what I suggested, the suggestion was literally using the Knarr to get into the dungeon then disembarking from it and having it be treated like a regular dungeon afterwards. It was just the mode of travel to give the Knarr a use.
Here's the thread. viewtopic.php?f=48&t=76503
I still think it's a 10/10 idea tbqhwy. Not arsed what they naysayers think. You cannot deny that something like that would produce some of the best, biggest and most memorable fights each world

I think you already know it was a joke how bad that SoS meta was.

Even still, there should be more options rather than less. Many people still opted for b12 Opp Knocks/Cleave builds this world. I like that b12 build, it's my favourite, always has been because of course it has, I operate alone most of the time and I like 1 v 1's and what better build is there for 1v1ing?. But it shouldn't be the only playstyle. We already lost archery, now we're losing SoS, what are we gaining in their steed? Nothing.

[Austinh15]

You claim to like pvp but also not like pvp and you keep saying well known pvpers are shit but also you cant beat them because of some secret insurmountable advantages or something. Do you really not see the copium in your logic? If you were better at the game do you really think youd still be crying this much? ur a fish crying about the sharks while u eat the plankton and bragging about it. every post is bitterness against the sharks for being better than u, calling them crybabies, casuals, unfair advantage abusers, etc just accept the truth that ur getting outplayed in a low skill game thats all it is

m8 this reeks of projection. This is why I have a hard time taking you seriously, you haven't understood my position at all. I'm struggling to think up how I can make it any clearer than I already have but I'll give it another whirl using a different formatting method.
1. You keep saying all these players are better than me and that I'm getting outskilled and yet I have never died in PvP. I've lived right next to AD in multiple worlds, had dafels, mulder and frost constantly lurking and checking up on my place trying to catch me out. I've had a world where me and like 3 other friends spawned in next to Ozzy and co and both our groups were griefing each other and we kept breaking their claim post, their house and evict ko'd them until they left and went somewhere else. W15 that we've just been on I lived directly 1 river over from snail. Literally 2 minutes away. Didn't get KO'd, didn't die, I was using the swamp right next to their clown base all game for over a month before I quit from burnout. As per usual.
I'm not really sure what else you expect from me as a hermit lol. What am I supposed to be doing? Solo killing the big villages? Come on now. I think I've done a fine job at surviving.
2. I don't like group PvP. I don't want to join a village, I don't expect to be able fight off villages alone. My MO is doing my own thing, PvPing people around me that aren't associated with the big villages (and I do this with looting in mind), doing small skirmishes here and there and generally avoided the big villages and their players. Cloak and dagger.
I have joined some big villages in the past, tried that playstyle, which is how I came to the conclusion that I'm not interested in it. I like small, fruitful skirmishes that result in big payouts.
We can keep going back and forth on this all you like but the reality is I know myself better than you know me. If I say I don't want to join any big villages anymore and that I think group PvP is shit, you saying that I do want to join them and that I only don't like group pvp because I'm bad is a hard lol tbh. Every game I've PvP'd in I've done it alone or with my IRL mate, even when those games essentially had the same thing going as this game. They had guilds, they had factions, I rarely ever joined any of them and in the instances where I did, I got bored very quickly and cut my ties with them.
3. I call out botting and alt abuse because they ruin the game and are legitimately unfair in their current iteration. If botting is going to be part of the game and unregulated, then it should be made available to everyone, not just some guys who have coding knowledge or who are on good terms with a coder. If that happened in any other game those people would be referred to as cheaters because ofc they are, they're using a private 3rd party program to automate their industry and feed their characters. Botting to alleviate chore repetition I can forgive, alts I can't, they're almost always used for nefarious means, they're almost always used to do something on a throwaway character while your main is safe, they need to go or at minimum only be allowed on a single account. Multi account usage shouldn't be allowed.
In a lot of UO servers there's a botting/macro/hotkey program called Razor and it's universally used and PUBLIC. On the servers where it's allowed nobody complains about it because it's seen as part of the game, and everyone has access to it. Now if that weren't the case and instead only one guy or one guy and his guild had it, that would quite literally be considered cheating with the use of a third-party program because the advantages it provides are unmistakable... Automation is cheating in many many aspects. An aim bot is just automated aiming.

nobody wants a world of archery meta, it would be ridiculous

The archery meta thing was overblown, there were a handful of archers in those worlds where it was strong. The bulk of people were still building unarmed/melee. They just didn't like having their retarded pvp loop altered and refused to adapt.
I for one thought it was very based. If everyone was an archer, I'd have shit on it too and would have stood by the people saying it needed to be changed, but out of every group of 10 pvpers there would be like 1-2 archers. That's just a balanced team comp IMO and they performed the role they were supposed to.

Im not sure what the cave claiming situation is.

Ozzy and co tracked and killed snails group in their cave this world. viewtopic.php?f=80&t=74799
Early game should be unsafe, there's already too much safety once a pali goes up. Having cave entrances be blocked by claim poles is cringe which is what snail began advocating for after dying this world in their cave.

Why would PvPers not want a pvp dungeon? Where is this thread and who is shitting themselves? sounds funny to me but obviously its not gonna be a popular idea

The cringecord hates the idea. They got the wrong idea at first and thought I was talking about a dungeon which you fight through whilst on a boat when that wasn't what I suggested, the suggestion was literally using the Knarr to get into the dungeon then disembarking from it and having it be treated like a regular dungeon afterwards. It was just the mode of travel to give the Knarr a use.
Here's the thread. viewtopic.php?f=48&t=76503
I still think it's a 10/10 idea tbqhwy. Not arsed what they naysayers think. You cannot deny that something like that would produce some of the best, biggest and most memorable fights each world

I think you already know it was a joke how bad that SoS meta was.

Even still, there should be more options rather than less. Many people still opted for b12 Opp Knocks/Cleave builds this world. I like that b12 build, it's my favourite, always has been because of course it has, I operate alone most of the time and I like 1 v 1's and what better build is there for 1v1ing?. But it shouldn't be the only playstyle. We already lost archery, now we're losing SoS, what are we gaining in their steed? Nothing.

MY GOD BROTHER HAVE YOU HEARD OF AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
I'm sort of just messing with you but JESUS. My ADHD won't let me read all that.

[grumgrumganoe]

holy fukin mega-yap

[Nocturnal-Rainbows]

MY GOD BROTHER HAVE YOU HEARD OF AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
I'm sort of just messing with you but JESUS. My ADHD won't let me read all that.

Typing out walls of text is my coping mechanism to eat up time while I wait for W16 to drop. I'm losing my fucking mind here; this wait has been nothing short of agonizing.


Soon as the world starts, I won't post a single thing until a month before the next world begins probably.

[grumgrumganoe]

touch grass, read a good book, hug your loved ones, play another game, watch a television series, learn a skill or hobby, have sex

[Kaios]

Im not sure what the cave claiming situation is. All I know is the thing where snails group abused some kind of trap by spamming visitor gates at the entrance to every cave around WB and KOd some people. Why would they be crying about that?

btw i invented that

[MightySheep]

Hmm, or could it possibly be, that the combat is just bad and most people don't like it? I've never once felt like I need to spend any time learning or even preparing for combat (I have spent time on it, only saying it doesn't feel necessary or productive in the least) in any of the more recent worlds given that I can simply rely on alts to do everything these days and ensure my better characters stay safe behind a wall while "combat" characters get taken outside.

wat kind of a life is this if ur afraid to even leave the walls lol, and have to make all this effort with alts, all because u dont want to learn a simple system

Or it is just that you don't even have a tenth of the other's stats so it's not even worth trying to fight.

For many reasons, including bots.

u know if u have a dragonfly + mirkwood in ur study from the start u will probably be able to remain inside the equalization range of the highest UA/MC players just from that alone until the end of the world, its really that easy. Also the point was not that u need to be able to fight the 1%, its that u dont need to worry about the 99%. Are you really going to continue to run from every steam player like a chicken? It sounds like food is gonna get incredibly dumbed down too so the real advantages that the tryhards had over u are gone. Now is the time to stop crying about all the made up excuses.

Even still, there should be more options rather than less. Many people still opted for b12 Opp Knocks/Cleave builds this world. I like that b12 build, it's my favourite, always has been because of course it has, I operate alone most of the time and I like 1 v 1's and what better build is there for 1v1ing?. But it shouldn't be the only playstyle. We already lost archery, now we're losing SoS, what are we gaining in their steed? Nothing.

It wasnt blue/red OR SoS it was just SoS. Now its probably just blue/red again however some of the other decks like ravens bite are not that bad. Either way were back to target calling, coordination, using multiple moves and comboing shit like opp knocks its not just 1 button spam.

I don't want to join any big villages anymore and that I think group PvP is shit, you saying that I do want to join them and that I only don't like group pvp because I'm bad is a hard lol tbh

I didnt say you want to join a big village but youve been repeatedly saying "its impossible to compete with current groups because of bots" "Getting good at this game is about coding" "New groups cant possible make it in this game because of lack of bots" "any new player realizes its all about bots and leaves". Theres obviously no truth to this so its normal to assume youre just shit at the game otherwise why would u be trotting out all the coper lines but if you are apparently doing fine vs good players as you say then why are you even saying shit you know isnt true? Especially as a hermit why would you expect to be able to keep up with big villages?

If you enjoyed group pvp, cloned a dozen copies of yourself and tryharded 1 world you dont think you can compete? If yes then botting isnt the issue, if no then its a skill issue. If your point is that people can compete just fine but that they will suffer from burnout faster than ppl with bots then its not really about an unfair "advantage" its just they have a tedium reducing tool and u dont, I get bored each world and quit its not rly a big deal ur not meant to live on games forever lol. You choose to be a hermit which means u have to do absolutely everything yourself which is aids. It also just happens to be the case that botting is a million times less prevalent than your apparent perception (and most peoples perception). Even this current patch notes just fixed 2 of the bot issues mentioned in this thread.

[Kaios]

There's literally nothing to learn, that's how simple it is I agree. The system sucks bro. There's very little effort involved in churning out alt after alt, I'm not the one making it easy to do that. Don't hate the player hate the game.

Also, take note of the sudden increase in complaints about alts/bots related to the buff on salt and then tell me "bots only impact 1% of the game" again.

[joojoo1975]

I just want to say thankyou to all who had put in their 0.02$

Some of ya need to Really stay from the insults as I believe it only hurts your position

Some of ya need to Post on your mains as there really is no reason to post from an alt.



Unless anybody has anything new to reply I will ask the mods to lock thread tomorrow

Thanks again

[MightySheep]

The previous thing about animal nodes just got patched that was like the only real botting example u had kaois lol. Salt bots already got patched I already said you cant harvest the same node more than once. Dont conflate bots with alts. Yes there will be alts on every salt node. Making alts is kinda whatever. Anyone can do it. Surely if anyone can do it then its not an issue. Now you gotta march them between nodes after every harvest. Unless salt is significantly buffed Im still not sure people will even bother lol.