A new Offical Haven & Hearth Discord server for everyone!

[Dawidio123]

I gotta admit the move where you dmed noineck to post asking you to explain with his green name was super impressive even though we both know he knows why there are two servers.

Are Robben and Noinek in the room with you, right now?

God I wish i could get my hands on you two skibidi rizz

[DonVelD]

[abt79]

A Definitive History of the Great Haven Discord Schism of January 2024:

0) mods of the Old Hafen Discord Server (aka Unofficial Discord or Hedgehugs Discord) instituted an automod to filter out certain words and grant (usually short) mutes to players who send them (n word, etc). I’m not sure how many people unironically cared about this, I personally didn’t.

1) Whatever Bay Villager Misa (aka TheServant/flyingknees), who was never particularly well liked there but was seen as a mostly harmless yapper, admits in Hedgehugs Discord to having sexual relations with a 15 year old child when he was 24.

1a) “coincidentally” misa’s village Whatever Bay had an inner circle of Veteran/PVP players containing the users Noindyfikator/No!nek and Robben DuMarsch, who have to date expressed nothing but whataboutism, excuses and even support for misa. In case you’re wondering why they’ve spent so many words spreading misinfo ITT, they’re circling the wagons for an (ex?) faction mate. Polanski colleague-style.

2) Hedgehugs Discord explodes with activity discussing the above. To their credit the Hedgehugs mods (Alg, Rawrz, etc) permaban Misa immediately, however the discussion continues to harp on pedophilia, misa’s country of origin, whatever bay, etc. Even five months ago there was very little happening ingame worth discussing.

3) After days of constant discussion, Hedgehugs Discord mod Alg/Algeraith threatens to ban anybody who takes part in doxxing in their server and strongly suggests everybody shut up about misa

3a) “pedophile” was added to the automod filter and remains a banned word in the Hedgehugs Server to this day

4) a few hours later, Shaki/Dawidio123 mentions misa and is immediately permabanned by Alg. By his words Shaki did not know about the above (3) warnings from Alg, and to my knowledge has never participated in doxxing anyone.

4a) Shaki asks to be unbanned on the grounds that he had no idea what he was doing was permaban-worthy and was unsuccessful - Hedgehug mod Rawrz/Astarisk says that Alg is open to hearing a petition in a week. For reasons that’ll become clear such a petition is never sent

5) several users voice displeasure at this moderation decision. In an effort to restore order HH moderation (I believe it was Alg himself?) promotes Vareckeska/talon00302 to server moderator.

I would consider this an “interesting choice” - all previously appointed mods were generally hands-off, and levelheaded in the rare case where they did consider moderation necessary.

6) Shortly afterwards a user posted doxx. Vareckeska was the only mod online, and another user “Zadek/DonVelD” pinged Vareck to the tune of “hey isn’t that post against the rules? Do your job”. In response Vareckeska deleted the post containing doxx, muted the offending user, and banned Zadek. In a message justifying the banning, he claimed (lied) that Zadek was involved in the doxxing.

7) seeing how the winds were blowing, the overwhelming majority of active Haven veterans (excepting Hedgehugs and some of the hermits) created a new server: The Offical Haven and Hearth Discord Server (link below), and have gradually cut ties with the old Hedgehugs server over the past 5 months. There are more than a few users who still belong to both, but the newer server is significantly more active and energized.

7a) worth mentioning that at least ten of the users who left for the Offical Discord are faction-affiliated with either Shaki or Zadek, and those two groups have also allied with each other. However most of its users merely found the HH mod actions odd and worrying, such as Ardenness (who is friendly with players from many often enemy factions, including the hedgehugs, but is himself a solo player), and myself. Or are just random groups/hermits looking for somewhere to discuss Haven or socialize with the Haven community


As I’ve said before I harbor no particular ill will towards the Hedgehugs mods (also <3 Ziggy) but because of their actions I can’t see myself switching back to their discord and a massive portion of the existing playerbase feels the same way - maybe when the game is actually active we’ll really feel the difference. It’s true that the Hedgehug discord, being several years older, contains a much longer list of usernames. I prefer everyone trust their own judgement and use whatever discord(s) best suit their needs, anything’s better than the forums.
Now instead of making effortposts like this to explain the situation you can just link here when people ask what happened. Though if one of the names involved in the story asks such a thing I’d treat that request with extreme scrutiny. They know what they’ve done

[noindyfikator]

Also nice co op from the greatest duo alive, can't really compete with that

bro thinks someone else cares about discord drama..

I am not associated with any discord, at this point I don't even use them at all besides a few messages during a week. I wrote a question on first one a year ago asking about new curio and I didn't get banned. You got banned. Draw your own conclusions

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holy moly, interesting, stopped tracking the drama after second point, I see I missed the best part

[TheServant]

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i got banned by talon... still dont know why

[Dawidio123]

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i got banned by talon... still dont know why

Last sane action done by varescka.

[DonVelD]

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i got banned by talon... still dont know why

[DonVelD]

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i got banned by talon... still dont know why

Last sane action done by varescka.

that was trollex btw, there is not one thing varecuck did right

[Dawidio123]

that was trollex btw, there is not one thing varecuck did right

Varecscksasasbros....

[Zentetsuken]

the new official haven and hearth server is dev approved and is moderated without bias by some of the most respected and helpful people in this community like ardennes (you might recognize his name because he is the top custom client dev in this entire community)

even with nearly a dozen mods who take their job extremely seriously (its a lifestyle for them) in the old abandonned discord, you can still see very disturbing pictures, hatespeech and racial slurs being posted and left up for days and weeks on end regularly. meanwhile, they ban people they dont like from opposing factions and insert their politics and bias into their moderation on a daily basis. its really just a shame. ive never seen a single post that is offensive in the official haven and hearth discord. i think people just respect it as a community more or something


in the new server there are community events every week and the mods seem to be really receptive to the feedback of the community as well.

i saw ardenness talking about implementing a few new channels dedicated to haven-only chat so the help for new players will be maximized at all times, and this is based on the feedback of a few people who didnt get what they were looking for when they joined the first time

really just shows you who cares about this community and who doesnt honestly