Frouzing server kill my character

[bmjclark]

Protips.
1) Don't have swimming on if u don't intend to swim rivers and have at least 40 const or a silver for the ferryman (I strongly recommend the latter) or if you need it for some dire situation (running from players, jumping into players boats to attack them ect.)
2) If you click on the other side of the river ur trying to swim across instead of spam clicking through the middle, even if the server lags you'll swim to the other side. (note, this does not stop u from dying if ur client crashes)

[Procne]

Sounds like another new player failed to read ALL the important information about a game and just jumped right in and now wants to get upset about it and crap in the forums.

Wish I had a dime for every lag death in an internet game. I'd be a very rich man now.

I think you are too harsh here. All the important information should be easily available to new players.
Put yourself in new player's position.
You enter main page, where you see links to http://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/about , http://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/howto
and to forum. As a new player you might expect all the important info to be in announcements section: viewforum.php?f=6
Which of the topics there will tell new player about possibilities of dying when server freezes? The 180 pages long viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12068 ?
Or should they just read all stickied topics in "How do I" section before making any topic on forum? Is any sticky even covering this issue? I don't know about you, but I learned the consequences of crashes / freezes either first-hand or from reading what other players wrote about it in many different topics. This is common knowledge to the people playing this game and lurking in the forums, but for new people who don't scan the forum before starting the game it's not that obvious.

And you? When you started playing H&H, had you read whole wiki and all stickies before launching the game?

Just don't deny new players right to ask questions about stuff which might seem obvious to you :S

[Tonkyhonk]

what is so harsh?
all the necessary info not to make a thread like this is just
1) this is a shared game in alpha, made by 2 students in their free time, not regular service.
2) this is a game with perma death. your char is dead when it is dead.

when i started, i read "About", "PAQ", and "Welcome to Forum" thread very well and understood what devs meant doing.

by the way, the thread starter clearly stated that she was not whining about swimming. not about "how-to" stuff here.

[TheTylerLee]

Buying the swimming skill = asking for death

[MagicManICT]

And you? When you started playing H&H, had you read whole wiki and all stickies before launching the game?

Depends on the game. I'd played Wolfenstein 3D before, so did I REALLY need to read the manual for Doom?

HnH is an indie game with little connection to most other MMOs. You better believe that I read most of the important information that is posted on the TOP OF this website. It told me WHAT this game was, WHO the developers were, and WHY they implemented the game concepts.

Why do I read these things? I have discovered I'd rather spend 15-20 minutes reading information about the game (and running it through a bullshit filter) than spending two hours or more playing (and more if there's a sizable download) a game whose core concepts and design don't appeal to me.

Just don't deny new players right to ask questions about stuff which might seem obvious to you :S

I'm not. If he had posted this in the right forum, I might have taken a different tone about it. If he was actually asking a question, I might have taken a different tone. The way the OP read, he didn't like the fact that there were such harsh death penalties, which is clearly stated in those links at the top of the website. I don't know how many high level characters in Diablo I've lost to lag while playing hardcore. I don't write in to Blizzard asking for my character back because there's a clear label that death is permanent.

When an online game is laggy, common sense says "Don't engage in high risk activities." That would include swimming or fighting a bear hand to claw.