Philosophy, emotional investment and Questions that arise

[Krantarin]

How many people, and of what comparative strength, should a "legitimate" player be able to fight at once?

I really don't know, it's been talked about a lot. I think it should be different, but right now because of skill differences, I think one legit player who's played for a long time and doesn't focus on violence but has the lp in it can take out quite a few people who've played legitimately for two weeks. Like ten.

[Rugs]

Coriander's loss affected us all.

I made a little tribute to try to ease everyone's grief.

http://www.bo0b.org/function/Cor.htm

[Ferinex]

Coriander's loss affected us all.

I made a little tribute to try to ease everyone's grief.

http://www.bo0b.org/function/Cor.htm

I'm expecting either a rickroll or a screamer of some kind.

...*turns off speakers and clicks*

Edit: Adolf would be proud.

[Junkfist2]

You'll miss the bagpipes.

[Jackard]

heartwarming, uplifting, a memorable tribute

it gives rise to that special feeling we get in the cockles of our hearts. maybe below the cockles? maybe in the sub cockle area... maybe in the liver, maybe in the kidneys, maybe even in the colon, we dont know

[RiverPhoenix]

If Germany offered to surrender on the terms they get to keep the Nazi party and Hitler as their fuerher, would it have been right to accept?

Possibly not right but it would likely have been accepted (and, likely, Hitler later assassinated).

River

[RiverPhoenix]

I'm just saying that Japan wasn't nuked to "enslave it", as you say. There were some very real dangers in letting them keep their war-criminal regime. And that's the only surrender Japan offered. They were given a chance for unconditional surrender, and they refused.

Which is why the dictators that have ruled Iraq, Columbia and countless other countries have been invaded and been removed from office... no, wait, what am I talking about... put in office, put in office, then removed from office and replaced by someone just as bad... er, no, wait... what was it I was trying to say again - or is it that human history demonstrates you're wrong?

River

[Potjeh]

There were numerous attempts to assassinate Hitler, and they all failed. I think he would've been as hard to assassinate as Castro, if not even harder.

It just demonstrates that USA acts in USA's interest, which shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. It just so happened that in WW2 USA's interest was also good for the whole SE Asia. I don't have any statistics to back me up or anything, but I think that Japanese were actually even worse than Germans when it comes to war crimes in WW II.

[RiverPhoenix]

And for those who care to troll you might like to note (fat chance) that I don't condone either, neither do I condemn either.

Passive Aggressive Moral Relativity is the biggest trolling in the history of trolling. It doesn't make you Obi-Wan, it just makes you a whiny pussy.

If you think that's "passive aggressive" then you are clearly much more inured to these things and I need a bigger hammer to be aggressive with (or you have limited skills in English). As for "moral relativity" that would assume I knew the history of the world to be better or worse should either have or have not happened. I generally assume humans will act generally as they have acted in the past and this leads me to believe that these acts generally help prevent longer term suffering in the end because humans are (excuse my crudity) bastards, especially when it comes to dealing with people whom they have demonised. Call me a utilitarian, far enough, but extreme moral relativists should be put up against a wall and shot.

I wonder how much USA propaganda Jorb and Loftar are getting in Sweden

I'll concede most of your point, but the limited amount that you're stating makes it sound very much like propaganda to me, as well. Imperial Japanese Government had repeatedly stated its intent to fight on to the bitter end.

Yes, I'll grant the the government might have been willing to fight but how much resistance do you normally get from a nation that has already lost? You get it from those who do not know it has lost or even that it has reached their homeland (there were many cases of this due to Japan's island tropical set-up and lack of communication equipment) and you get it from those few who will fight to the end. Also if what the Japanese Government had said were to be true then why are there any Japanese still living? In fact huge numbers of Japanese still live but almost (or by some accounts no) Native American Indians remain in the USA. Why?

There were numerous attempts to assassinate Hitler, and they all failed. I think he would've been as hard to assassinate as Castro, if not even harder.

Only when there is a war on and they're paranoid... if they are completely paranoid all the time might as well just leave them to it because they aren't going to last long as a leader - that was where Castro succeeded; he tread a fine line successfully (very, very rare in history).

I don't have any statistics to back me up or anything, but

... but I'm going to present it as an argument anyway...

I think that Japanese were actually even worse than Germans when it comes to war crimes in WW II.

Since they'd just been defeated in Manchuria (anyone know much about that?) and China was on the rise again then maybe what would have happened would be that China would not now own the USA ('s national debt - same difference in the long run). And maybe Japanese youngsters wouldn't feel like the USA is occupying their country and hate them with a passion... though I only have personal experience of talking to a hundred or so of them over the years to base that on - I meant do the British ever get uptight about their occupation by the USA? Not to a degree that would incite country wide marches or anything but they've as many military bases here as they have in Japan - just not so obvious.


Anyway, this lot should probably go to bed now.


I liked the tribute and the symbol of well-being at the end was particularly poignant - may this be a less to us all and may his death not be in vain - take care out there and dev's, maybe you guys can think of a way that both sorts of players can play without this sort of thing becoming common place?

Be happy

River

[Potjeh]

No, I'm presenting it as a personal opinion. It's pretty much impossible to objectively measure such things anyway.

And Japanese don't hate the USA for occupation, they hate them for being foreign. Well, hate might not be the right word. Contempt, maybe. Point is, from what I've heard from pretty much everyone who's lived in Japan for any length of time, Japanese culture is the most xenophobic culture on Earth. Taking a glance at their history just reinforces this view.

Also, when the hell was UK occupied by USA?