It was a routine trip to get some boughs...

[rozn]

Ever thought WHY does SODOM have more supporters than lolkillyou AD?
Propaganda thread? Is this the way how you try to cover up your inability to do proper diplomacy?

Well, try to think more deeply. A.D. is not an English-speaking community. It is hard for 95% of us to speak English, whereas Sodom`s people can. Moreover, English-speaking community is much more larger than Russian community. It is easier to have business with the people you can communicate better.
Yes, propaganda thread. Everything there is to make people hate A.D. It is so-o-o evident. Even in the world 3. We took Koreans mine and Sodom was shouting a lot, whereas when they took the golden mine of Japanese friends of us... You did not see anything like this.

Then go like sodom and actually open your walls to english speaker if this is your "excuse". Then your messages could actually get across rather then place a runestone that says: Do move people die.

[Urkerval]

This is a joke right? You guys applying what you do yourself to us? I am not telling anybody what to say in here, in Sodom people were always free to do what they felt like (unless it was deviating too far from our standards). Unlike you, where whole towns just existed to produce pepper or the like 24 hours a day. I have to admit it still fascinates me though how you manage to keep people playing a game where they do the same shitty task all day long.
Also 90% of the people complaining about you on the forums never lived in or were affiliated to Sodom.

Once again, I left Sodom. So what I am revealing here has nothing to do with Sodom diplomacy anymore.

Edit: Uhm, we never took any gold mine by force.

Ha-ha-ha. Burgi, do not be silly, trying to make everything look lin the way you like. Well, it was my pepper-farm. My own. Any of warriors of A.D. were free to have pepper only if they will produce the pepper or help to produce it (or sell something from food to me). There is no slavery in A.D. Most of the times the leaders work like slaves. Really. Also, one leader girl made alone a brick wall for her city (the brick wall was larger than Sodom`s external wall twice).
Well, even they are not inside Sodom`s city, they are allyes ^__^
One more Vaynewille, burgi? It is just words you left Sodom, whereas you are continuing the same things you were doing before.

[rozn]

Then why don't you see post of regular people being attacked by sodom but always a good story of how they got attacked by A.D? This person was not part of sodom, neither were the koreans so don't imply Sodom members twist words around at A.D. I am pretty sure those koreans or this guy was not any way connected to sodom. If a new player had a pally up and someone raided him cause he had high q clay then 90% of the time it's A.D (If russians attacked) and I know from past experiences that sodom would rather trade then to go and raid it.

[CodenameB]

Does Sodom even exist anymore? I figured they were splitting up in the new world.

Also, I am amused at the people defending AD by saying more or less "Oh yeah, well another city did something bad once, therefore it's okay if AD does now to someone else!"

Also also, the idea that someone should be responsible for something outside of their control is absolutely ridiculous. I'm trying to think of ways to demonstrate that, but it's so easy I can't decide on one. Let's just go with

After the police open fire on the family home of a specific person, he emerges from the bullet riddled house to attempt to talk with them and spare his wife and children.
Guy: "What the hell is going on? We didn't do anything wrong!"
Cops: "Your brother shot this man, so we're sending you to the electric chair."
Guy: "What? I haven't even seen my brother in years!"
Cops: "Too bad, 1 crime 1 dead."

[Urkerval]

experiences that sodom would rather trade then to go and raid it.

I had highest q clay in the W3. Well, Sodom did not try to trade. They just stole the clay and claimed they will continue it or even kill us. In this story, DOG`s life was saved just because of juhubert (и я действительно его уважаю). Whereas A.D. (we were not in the union of A.D. at the moment) did not any shit like this even they know where the clay spot was.

[Haba]

Yes, propaganda thread. Everything there is to make people hate A.D. It is so-o-o evident. Even in the world 3. We took Koreans mine and Sodom was shouting a lot, whereas when they took the golden mine of Japanese friends of us... You did not see anything like this.

Took golden mine? We had two gold mines before A.D. even existed, why'd be bother taking over any mines? What mine, screenshots! What clay, screenshots! Why this propaganda against Sodom!

Lawlz. The main reason why there are less people who hate Sodom and more of those who hate A.D. is that we went around killing people and stealing their resources less than you did. Plus we traded with the most of the world. Formed the first trading hub so noobs could get metal tools.

For such a big city, I can't claim that I know what every individual did, but all the times that I know of someone coming with scents pointing to Sodom, the issue was resolved. And those times were not many, mind you.

[burgingham]

We only started taking things from you after it had become clear time and time again that you were notorious liars and had deceived us just once too often. AD claiming to take care of the Black Helicopter Base incident was just that one lie too much. You tried well to conceil it as a retaliative strike, but your people asking others for permission to the claim of BHB (Yes, we did have russian speakers around) and then having free access on the claim was not so smart.

You can believe me urkeval that I am not with Sodom this map, although of course I still have many good contacts there. I just felt more like chilling a bit in a world that looked like a transitional phase to me at first (with the announcement of Salem we might be stuck here longer than I expected us to be). Sodom of course does still exist and will speak for itself for now, maybe one day I will return.

[Dataslycer]

In world 3, I don't deny that Sodom made some ops! before but any of the incident that was related to Sodom I took great measures to ensuing that things were resolved, ask Gato how much I was nagging at him. With the incidents, we worked to make sure that it should not happen again.

Now onto this cry of people accusing every Russian crime as AD. I personally had tracked many of the crimes and many of them had led to A.D. with little to no explanation. Some of them lead to BHB including an attempted take-over of Sodom resource. Even moreso, Sodom has bled from the loss of two members. I honestly want to believe they are actually genuine but there are far too many evidence indicating of AD's attack on BHB is a sham. Aside from the ones burg mentioned there are also telltale signs: First of all, the one that died to A.D. arrows, did not had a +###### pop up from their member which mean that the person killed was very low LP worth, an alt. Second, they did not finish ramming it at all and all activities of AD towards BHB was almost null after the ramming.

Also, there was one situation that flitted my mind and I had not taken heed of it as I still had thought A.D. was trustworthy. This was the time when Nople Crossroad was destroyed the 2nd time. The scent lead to a village called "Jorb is a homo" (or something). I asked of Koya about it and he said he knew of the ones responsibile in there, Dizzy, Torch, and someone else I cannot remember. It was said that A.D. killed the ones in there but when i checked over to investigate, there was no scents around the fort nor was there attempt to but there was some vandalism scents INSIDE of it (and I don't think it was the HF of the perp).

At least, your Korean slaves are not these chatty women as you.

I will just leave that quote out there as an emphasis on your attitude.

PS: I am not involved within Sodom politics in this world.

[Sarchi]

As far as I know, Torch and Dizzy weren't kicked out of AD. Most of my info about those two babuskas comes from this thread. Sirlagsalot tried to expose AD and all the other Ruskie raider factions at the end of summer. Most people probably forgot this thread, though.

[Koya]

by rozn » 21 Jan 2011, 07:55
Then go like sodom and actually open your walls to english speaker if this is your "excuse".

Actually this world it will be so Just 2 villages, one as usual, most Russian speaking, second english speaking. Both villages will have english-russian speaking people. And economics of both will be tied together. Also people shouldn't write "wanna join" because we have 12 people at begining and inviting new ones will start 1.5-2 month later.

by Sarchi » 21 Jan 2011, 12:07
As far as I know, Torch and Dizzy weren't kicked out of AD. Most of my info about those two babuskas comes from this thread. Sirlagsalot tried to expose AD and all the other Ruskie raider factions at the end of summer. Most people probably forgot this thread, though.

Torch killed few our players summoned them at HF in vault, and dizzy stolen a lot of expencive stuff from Vitter. Later torch died when he tried to attack Hivemind. I think Torch have chance to join us this world, because he had reason and misunderstandings, but for konakona and dizzy its impossible.

by Dataslycer » 21 Jan 2011, 11:18
Now onto this cry of people accusing every Russian crime as AD. I personally had tracked many of the crimes and many of them had led to A.D. with little to no explanation. Some of them lead to BHB including an attempted take-over of Sodom resource. Even moreso, Sodom has bled from the loss of two members. I honestly want to believe they are actually genuine but there are far too many evidence indicating of AD's attack on BHB is a sham. Aside from the ones burg mentioned there are also telltale signs: First of all, the one that died to A.D. arrows, did not had a +###### pop up from their member which mean that the person killed was very low LP worth, an alt. Second, they did not finish ramming it at all and all activities of AD towards BHB was almost null after the ramming.

We tracked hundreds of scents from different place to Sodom. But as long as they wasn't harm to us, they were dropped away. I could set here a people with alt acounts, whining about Sodom's raids on them, with track screens, but I have a honor and don't do such shit.

And will say again that if BHB was ADs vault, for us would be more easier to send there all rangers and finish all this there. For me it was also not a pleasure that I saw our players there. Even if they left. This was your own fault on this situation. Sodom's writings against AD and show off at forums, add that situation when Sodom killed 2 ours protecting thiefs, led to tension in between us. Anyway we finished there, LS was killed and we used claim to get inside. Just because of all shit at your chat I didn't wanted to inform you anymore.

Also, there was one situation that flitted my mind and I had not taken heed of it as I still had thought A.D. was trustworthy. This was the time when Nople Crossroad was destroyed the 2nd time. The scent lead to a village called "Jorb is a homo" (or something). I asked of Koya about it and he said he knew of the ones responsibile in there, Dizzy, Torch, and someone else I cannot remember. It was said that A.D. killed the ones in there but when i checked over to investigate, there was no scents around the fort nor was there attempt to but there was some vandalism scents INSIDE of it (and I don't think it was the HF of the perp).

Scents showed that person died, vandal was there inside house because of HF destroyed. Skeletons was in AD Welcome sign. As I remember in fort was CR to other place.
And it looks funny, to destroy CR to place where 95% of our trades was done, and then help you to make sure it will be never destroyed again...