Crop quality keeps dropping despite high farm level.

[FatBob]

Just got a system message:
Restarting the server in 2 minutes to fix the farming bug.

Yeah

[Gedrean]

Just a comment, I just harvested a few things, got a bunch of q1 things but I'm wondering if the results will show NEXT generation?

[Oddity]

I'll re-post this from some other thread:

[21:09:01] <loftar> Hmm... I can't exactly *verify* that the farming bug is fixed...
[21:09:05] <Drao> so what did the server restart fix?
[21:09:38] <loftar> It was supposed to fix it.

[21:15:08] <loftar> It *should* be fixed.
[21:15:19] <loftar> Please do test. I might just have had a stroke of bad RNG.

[21:29:15] <loftar> I am anxiously awaiting thy results.
[21:29:46] <Drao> willing to trade q10 carrot seeds for any q poppy seed
[21:29:56] <Zamilpen> Is the -5 to +2 range intended?
[21:30:39] <loftar> Partly. I changed the farming mechanic to the [-5,2] range when the crops' quality is greater than the soil quality.
[21:30:41] <Spacecas> my results seems to be the same..but my farming is not very high so I ma not complaining..
[21:30:48] <loftar> Below that, the normap [-5,5] range should used, however.
[21:31:26] <Oddity> Should we be using plants planted after you fixed it to test?
[21:31:34] <Zamilpen> I'm still getting constant -5,2
[21:31:41] <loftar> Nah, everything happens at harvesting.

After it looked like it wasn't fixed after all:
[21:38:00] <loftar> Oh well, I need to sleep. I'll go on debugging tomorrow.

[cobaltjones]

[21:09:01]
[21:29:56] <Zamilpen> Is the -5 to +2 range intended?
[21:30:39] <loftar> Partly. I changed the farming mechanic to the [-5,2] range when the crops' quality is greater than the soil quality.
[21:30:48] <loftar> Below that, the normap [-5,5] range should used, however.

That's a really stupid way to implement soil quality into farming.

When planting a q91 seed, there is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE between planting it in q10 soil or q90 soil. How stupid.

At least make it a softcap of (farming+soil)/2 or something.

[Gedrean]

[21:09:01]
[21:29:56] <Zamilpen> Is the -5 to +2 range intended?
[21:30:39] <loftar> Partly. I changed the farming mechanic to the [-5,2] range when the crops' quality is greater than the soil quality.
[21:30:48] <loftar> Below that, the normap [-5,5] range should used, however.

That's a really stupid way to implement soil quality into farming.

When planting a q91 seed, there is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE between planting it in q10 soil or q90 soil. How stupid.

At least make it a softcap of (farming+soil)/2 or something.

I would agree with a better mechanic - it basically induces significant loss instead of a softcap which induces lots of loss in wide differences but better evenness in closer differences.

That's really depressing.

[Dataslycer]

Would you rather have a hardcap+4 in disguise of a softcap instead?

[Gedrean]

Would you rather have a hardcap+4 in disguise of a softcap instead?

That's pretty much what a softcap is, actually - you'll never see quality rise above +5 in a softcap, if enough iterations are used.

[Gedrean]

I hate to jump to conclusions but the farming glitch may be gone.
I harvested a group of q1-q3 Hops I planted in a junk field for LP, as well as some q1-q3 wheat, and a q1 flax. From the flax I got 4,6,1, from the Hops I'm getting mixtures of 5 and 6 with at least one 1 per harvest group, a few groups of all 1s, but a lot with 4s and up. Now, my highest Hops I have gotten is a 7, but that's still 4 higher than 3 which is the highest seed q I planted in this field.

My wheat is pretty much the same, 5-7 on the high end and 1-3 on the low. Given that at a minimum of increase, the q3 seeds increased to q7, I'd say the "farming bug" may be resolved. I'm concerned that I didn't see any 8s, even though it should be +5 at a max and at least one q3 seed should have resulted in a q8 child, but so far I'm reserving my conclusions other than to say: It may be fixed.

[Dataslycer]

Would you rather have a hardcap+4 in disguise of a softcap instead?

That's pretty much what a softcap is, actually - you'll never see quality rise above +5 in a softcap, if enough iterations are used.

Sorry I was meaning a softcapped growth but a hardcap in disguise.

[Zamilpen]

[-5, 5] variance has been verified.