Skin colour

[Grelf]

btw if you were white your suggestion would have been different.

Because somehow the idea of a Person of Colour being assertive about their different view and experience is more offensive than the actual change I suggested?

And where exactly did I say I wasn't?

If you really are white, I must say I've never seen so much self hatred coming from a single individual before.

[LimaZulu]

btw if you were white your suggestion would have been different.

Because somehow the idea of a Person of Colour being assertive about their different view and experience is more offensive than the actual change I suggested?

And where exactly did I say I wasn't?

If you really are white, I must say I've never seen so much self hatred coming from a single individual before.

I knew I should have said inb4 race traitor. Demanding equality isn't self hatred.

[Grelf]

Because somehow the idea of a Person of Colour being assertive about their different view and experience is more offensive than the actual change I suggested?

And where exactly did I say I wasn't?

If you really are white, I must say I've never seen so much self hatred coming from a single individual before.

I knew I should have said inb4 race traitor. Demanding equality isn't self hatred.

Oh, please. He said he thinks it's creepy to only see whites around, what sane self-loving white person would say that? And what the hell, there is already equality in the game, he's the one trying to add differences. And I wonder how long it'll take for someone to begin justifying their self-hatred with slavery.

[Gavla]

I am curious; what "privilege" is it that needs checking?

If you are honestly unfamiliar with the idea of White Privilege and want me to provide some good links, perhaps even ones specific to gaming, then I can oblige.
But tell me it's so, because I'm not going through the effort if you're just trying to get me to commit to some statement so you can launch into some preconsidered argument against it.

the obvious implication that black skin should be added for the sake of political correctness and egalitarianism is what makes my stomach turn at the thought of it. If it weren't for that, I'd almost have considered it.

"Political Correctness" doesn't even mean anything anymore. It's just a vague term used to denigrate a wide range of postmodernist views by associating them with a particular unfashionable idea from the activist seventies.

Why exactly do you find the implication so abhorrent?

Is it the suggestion that you might have done something racist when you know that you're not a racist person?
Or is it the suggestion that egalitarianism is anything but strict equality in a legalsetofrules sense?

If you really are white, I must say I've never seen so much self hatred coming from a single individual before.

This is about the fifth argument that has relied upon reading what I wrote "The game is really creepy if it's all white people" as "All white people are creepy"
You need to pay more attention.

[Grelf]

If you really are white, I must say I've never seen so much self hatred coming from a single individual before.

This is about the fifth argument that has relied upon reading what I wrote "The game is really creepy if it's all white people" as "All white people are creepy"
You need to pay more attention.

Nice straw man argument, I suppose you should know what that means by now.

[Potjeh]

Oooooh, let me guess, you're a highly successful professional game developer? Haven't had one of those in like two weeks.

Another shit arguemnt technique - ad hominem. You suggesting that unless you're succesful and professional you can't possibly have any valid input? Why come to the suggestions forum at all? Why bother giving your own dumb opinion in the first place?

You kinda appealed to (your own) authority there, buddy, you don't get to call people out on logical fallacies.

Anyway, I wouldn't expect to be able to play a white character in a game set in medieval Japan, and I certainly wouldn't be offended because my race was excluded.

[Grelf]

Oooooh, let me guess, you're a highly successful professional game developer? Haven't had one of those in like two weeks.

Another shit arguemnt technique - ad hominem. You suggesting that unless you're succesful and professional you can't possibly have any valid input? Why come to the suggestions forum at all? Why bother giving your own dumb opinion in the first place?

You kinda appealed to (your own) authority there, buddy, you don't get to call people out on logical fallacies.

Anyway, I wouldn't expect to be able to play a white character in a game set in medieval Japan, and I certainly wouldn't be offended because my race was excluded.

Whites don't get the right to be offended at all, man. They're the evil race, everyone favors them already.

On a side note: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainme ... 5963277864
Oh wow, somebody should sue Tolkien's ghost for racism.

[Gavla]

You kinda appealed to (your own) authority there, buddy, you don't get to call people out on logical fallacies.

The authority isn't important - it's minor.
The important thing is the experience. You can't deny that.

My experience is with reading and talking to PoCs and other groups that get slammed in the world of gaming about how much they love games and how excluded they feel from the gaming community because of behaviour and stuff just like this.

Whites don't get the right to be offended at all, man.

As I said before - I'm not the government and I don't have any power to give or take any rights away from you. Stop using this absurd Assangist 'freedom of speech fight the power' language to make yourself seem like some sort of underdog in some sort of righteous battle for something really important.

Whites get the right to be offended.
The point is that, as five people have said here, Whites AREN'T offended.
They don't need to get offended in order to get private, independent parties, like the designers of games, to put in the effort it takes to make them feel like they're basically included.

Is this what this is about, you want your right to be offended?
Okay, what do you want to be offended about, then?
What is it that so encroaches on your comfort and wellbeing so much that you get to be 'offended' in a way that's similar to the way racism is 'offensive'?
Be offended, go on.

[Potjeh]

There you go appealing to your own authority again.

[Gavla]

There you go appealing to your own authority again.

I don't give a shit unless you come up with something more convincing.