Space Inside Houses

[Jfloyd]

personally i think space-requirements inside houses are kinda moot at the moment.. as someone could just build a mine in a house, and have as much space as they want.. they could make mines in the mines ect..

True. I think it's odd to make a cabin buildable in a mine.
That should be removed, also, no mines in cellars.

[Laremere]

I think very few things should be allowed in the mine. I would say fires, cheese racks, and maybe some containers. People didn't go having their blacksmith work in the mines back in the day, I don't see why they should now.

/ready for dwarf fortress player's hate

[kobnach]

I think very few things should be allowed in the mine. I would say fires, cheese racks, and maybe some containers. People didn't go having their blacksmith work in the mines back in the day, I don't see why they should now.

/ready for dwarf fortress player's hate

At the moment, given small houses, deforestation, and decay, the natural thing to do is to put everything into one's mine. I suggest not breaking that until it becomes reasonable to have enough indoor storage. Making houses decay is not a step in that direction.

On the other hand, building houses in mines does seem a bit absurd.

[Ai_Shizuka]

Maybe different sizes for inside and outside is not realistic.
But cellars? There's no reason to restrict them to the house's size.
A little mansard would be a nice addition, even in log cabins.

[Junkfist2]

The log cabins are actually 4x4 on the outside and 4x4 on the inside.

Huh?



I guess if you were to flush it with the edges it would be. Why is the door on the inside off to the left?

Regardless, still feels cramped. 5x5 would be nice on the inside.

[Laremere]

I think very few things should be allowed in the mine. I would say fires, cheese racks, and maybe some containers. People didn't go having their blacksmith work in the mines back in the day, I don't see why they should now.

/ready for dwarf fortress player's hate

At the moment, given small houses, deforestation, and decay, the natural thing to do is to put everything into one's mine. I suggest not breaking that until it becomes reasonable to have enough indoor storage. Making houses decay is not a step in that direction.

On the other hand, building houses in mines does seem a bit absurd.

The decay rate is reasonable to have a small amount of needed upkeep on things outside. There are certain things that should be inside (there is a list somewhere in the announcement thread), but all those tools easily fit into a cellar.

[Blaze]

I think we'd all prefer freeform building. Sadly, it's not really doable at the moment.

Like URW's way of building walls one by one then building a ceiling square by square?

[kobnach]

I think very few things should be allowed in the mine. I would say fires, cheese racks, and maybe some containers. People didn't go having their blacksmith work in the mines back in the day, I don't see why they should now.

/ready for dwarf fortress player's hate

At the moment, given small houses, deforestation, and decay, the natural thing to do is to put everything into one's mine. I suggest not breaking that until it becomes reasonable to have enough indoor storage. Making houses decay is not a step in that direction.

On the other hand, building houses in mines does seem a bit absurd.

The decay rate is reasonable to have a small amount of needed upkeep on things outside. There are certain things that should be inside (there is a list somewhere in the announcement thread), but all those tools easily fit into a cellar.

My experience has been feeling horribly cramped from when decay appeared until I moved into a mine and found a way to get adequate always-on lighting in it. I want the tools and associated storage together, and I don't want to be falling over them. And I don't want to start each playing session repairing baskets, chests etc.

Also, I question your belief that all the things that should really be inside will fit in a cellar - a loom will pretty much take up a whole cellar on its own, and looms decay with blinding speed. While we had one outdoors, I _never_ managed to use it without first repairing it. It was an amazing relief to realize it could be carried through entrances smaller than its graphic.

[Laremere]

Just replace the runestones (that's my funny runestone collection) with a dream catcher, an anvil, and a coin press (which are in different cabins/mines for us), and ta da, you have a celler with all the tools that decay quickly in it. The main trick is putting the loom in the corner off grid as far as it goes.

[theTrav]

If it makes the game more fun and the houses less cluttered then more space inside than outside seems perfectly acceptable to me. It would also make houses more valuable.

Currently I believe a lot of players (certainly me) are taking advantage of the ability to get objects outside the floor of the house anyway (see the loom post above) and it'd be nice if we didn't have to do this.

Mostly though I think it's just that a single log cabin isn't really suitable for storing the majority of any single hearthlings tools and possessions, and I don't think that's unreasonable, the solution is bigger buildings both outside and in.