jorb wrote:Production, with the introduction of quality
[edit - please tell me that this isn't a linear 1-100 system, but is instead along the lines of the GLORIOUS slider bar beliefs system; but set more for crafting analogies (sharp/dull, smooth/rough, soft/hard, etc) that each has their own use, so it's difficult to create a "Wow, this is real vendor trash" items.]
jorb wrote:We are a bit undecided on which mechanic should bring this about -- I'm in favor of a direct civilization modifier on item quality, loftar favors a more indirect method of increased object/item decay in Mordor, calling my suggestion arbitrary in terms of realism -- but are we on the right track to begin with? Would this work? Why? Why not?
Are you on the right track? I don't know if there even is a track to be right with, or even to be on top of.
Currently "Civilization" is determined by an implied level of human activity; static and special buildings that can only be built by players... But there's a serious problem with this method of determining civilization, and that is the simple fact that it is simply implied
human activity, and not based on actual
human activity. If 100 people all discovered H&H simultaniously and logged in for the first time (and the server didn't die in a horrible CPU fire) and marched to that dark-red lower left corner, how much would civ change? Not one bit.
If you want civ rating to be based on human activity, like it sounds you want it to be, then actually make it based on human activity in an area, not a glorified sign post!
Yes, the sign post can still be there and act as an amplifier for whoever is logged on/sleeping at the moment, but it should never generate any civ by itself... a unique case is hearth fires, which could simply increase/decrease civ based on how much time the player spends logged on, relative to his distance to his hearth fire; so if he's working nearby, his civ will be larger then if he was on the other side of the map, and as long as he logs on and does some activity somewhat recently, his hearth fire will generate civ.
Linking crafting quality or decay to this or the current civ level model are then easilly shown to be flawed; a player could just log on a few alts and boost the civ rating by simply standing there, or by creating hearth fires -- and stand around a building to prevent it from decaying faster then it would.
The more time the player spends, the greater the long term reward for his time. Yes, crafting out in the middle of nowhere should be a bad idea and result in vendor-trash items... As long as the place you built them in was just as bad. Having a crappy metal weapon be created because you were inside a nice cabin and feeling happy, and in the middle of nowhere?
Which things should take priority for effecting item quality, here? The fact you're in the middle of nowhere, or the fact you have an awsome workshop? Or the fact that a # of people are standing around you?
IE: An anvil sitting in a field... Or an anvil sitting in a well lit cabin, that is sitting on pavement.
Having an object decay faster or slower simply because they are in the presence of a players' character is insane for the reason stated above (just create alts and camp nearby the building) It shouldn't matter how many players are logged in around a cabin; the simple reason why buildings do or don't decay into nothingness is because of the players. Faster decay under the players' choice to not repair
could be aided along by having certain events tied to weather, or animals. Possibly also multiple decay timers for certain parts of the building, that could tick down in certain ways.
IE: Cabins get a timer for the roof, the walls, and the base, each one ticking down at their own rate in a specific way; the roof will time out before the walls and base do, and will speed up their decay when it does time out; A player could also come along and reset the roof timer but ignore the walls/base. Meanwhile simple things like fences, pallisades, brick walls would take damage fairly consistently because of their simple construction.
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The Dwarf is making a plaintive gesture. He doesn't really care about anything any more.