The U.S. Goverment

[jorb]

As usual, more and more ideology, no examples.

Who are you, and why are you in my thread?

[jorb]

Listen, you are free to believe whatever you wish. I cannot change your opinions, because you want to believe whatever it is you believe. These truths are apparently very dear to you. Keep on doing that, and more power to you.

Saludos!

[Potjeh]

The payout may not be obvious, but a healthy and educated workforce raises overall productivity quite a bit.

As for language, friends etc, they're all very nice things, but they can't fill your belly. Or do you think there's so many Bosnians in Sweden because we hate our own culture?

And no, political ideals aren't that important to me (I mostly support these because they seem to work very well in places like Sweden), it's just that it infuriates me that you live in what is arguably the world's best country and you want to ruin it. It's like spilling water in front of a thirsty man.

[jorb]

And no, political ideals aren't that important to me (I mostly support these because they seem to work very well in places like Sweden), it's just that it infuriates me that you live in what is arguably the world's best country and you want to ruin it. It's like spilling water in front of a thirsty man.

I can sympathize with the sentiment -- Sweden is a fantastic country -- but I am afraid that you have misidentified what it is that is fantastic about it. Sweden's wealth was not built by the government. It was built in an era of almost complete free trade, when the tax levels where at some 5-10%, if even that. The country, furthermore, was on a gold standard. The country, furthermore, was a constitutional monarchy. Our population more than doubled during the 19th century, despite the immigration of some one million people to America and elsewhere. We built factories, sawmills and mines. That is the capital stock that is the foundation of our present prosperity, and seeing it being wasted away by politicians drunk with power who did not lift a finger for its creation...

All of those things are gone now, and that frankly breaks my heart.

[Potjeh]

Well I'd say that Sweden is a lot better place to live than USA, which is closer to your political ideals.

[burgingham]

As for language, friends etc, they're all very nice things, but they can't fill your belly.

Some sociologists, first and foremost Pierre Bourdieu, would beg to differ. Probably even say it is the only thing that fills your belly.

[Kearn]

jorb, if you were moving to america tomorrow and you had to have a political party, which one would you join

[Tonkyhonk]

sorry to go back to a stupid topic, but

I wouldn't call UK or Sweden monarchies, they just keep the royalty because they're decent tourist attractions.

They're only here because tabloids need material.

however you two look at it, as long as their royal family get paid for being royal family by the nations taxes for food, clothes and all expenses spent on guards, servants, educations, vacations and whatever, and people do not vote nor government has a say on the decisions, then it is not total democracy, is it?

i remember when princess Diana (when she was alive) once showed up in a red and white polka-dot dress and most everyone hated it so badly

[ArvinJA]

Well I'd say that Sweden is a lot better place to live than USA, which is closer to your political ideals.

You are such a fucking idiot. You're just insulting jorb at the moment, you don't think jorb has thought about this himself already? Anyway, it just shows your ignorance. While it is true that the rhetoric in the USA is more in line with libertarianism, it isn't more libertarian. First of all, the completely unnecessary wars that the USA has been fighting now for I don't know how long, they've come at a cost. In Sweden, the tax rate is nominally high, but then the printing presses aren't churning out money and our budget situation has been pretty stable since the early 90s. In the USA they're capitalizing on their credibility as the leading economic power of the world and basically destroying their currency just to stay afloat. Now, this is a form of taxation, a tax on saving. You are too stupid to see it though, and instead you're just insulting jorb.

The corporate tax rate in Sweden is also lower than in the USA and we don't have things like the patriot act (yet). Also, you seem to be ignorant of how easy Swedish law is to grok compared to American law. The law book can be a huge hurdle to business activity and stifle it in so many ways. In Sweden the law stifles businesses as well, but an order of magnitude less than in the USA.

So if you accept inflating the money supply as a tax (which any smart person will), then the tax situation in Sweden and the USA is quite comparable. As for social freedom, I think it's a pretty close race actually.
For libertarians both the american system and the current Swedish system are abominations. So, if you want to continue this discussion, please sit the fuck down in the boat and stop it with these useless bullshit sentences that only distract and have no real value. Retard.

[sabinati]

USA #1 country full of retards