Since nobody has previously posted the FEP forumla, I edited it into the wiki. Could someone take a look at it and make sure it is readable? It looks like the page could be better arranged, too. I'm not too great at editing for readability, though, so I'm not even going to try.
http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/FEP
Thanks! You're help is appreciated!
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MagicManICT
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Updated wiki FEP article
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DatOneGuy
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Re: Updated wiki FEP article
Looks fine, I read it fine.
There is something to be said about how annoying it is to explain FEP reduction to newbies, it might be better done visually, but that seems good enough for now.
There is something to be said about how annoying it is to explain FEP reduction to newbies, it might be better done visually, but that seems good enough for now.
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MagicManICT
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Re: Updated wiki FEP article
I might try to do a write-up and post it on talk or here first and get some opinions on it.
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Sitting_Bill
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Re: Updated wiki FEP article
Hi,
Yeah, the bit you changed to show the amount that the bar is decreased upon eating a new type of food is great. The old statement about 30%, 21% etc is just wrong and confusing though. The bar is decreased by the amount in your formula for every new food that you eat:
0.632*sqrt(58)=4.8 (approx)
# foods FEP req Difference
0 58
1 53.2 4.8
2 48.4 4.8
3 43.6 4.8
4 38.8 4.8
5 34 4.8
6 29.2 4.8
7 24.4 4.8
8 19.6 4.8
Cheers,
Gunnar
Yeah, the bit you changed to show the amount that the bar is decreased upon eating a new type of food is great. The old statement about 30%, 21% etc is just wrong and confusing though. The bar is decreased by the amount in your formula for every new food that you eat:
0.632*sqrt(58)=4.8 (approx)
# foods FEP req Difference
0 58
1 53.2 4.8
2 48.4 4.8
3 43.6 4.8
4 38.8 4.8
5 34 4.8
6 29.2 4.8
7 24.4 4.8
8 19.6 4.8
Cheers,
Gunnar
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DatOneGuy
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Re: Updated wiki FEP article
It decreases by the current valueSitting_Bill wrote:Hi,
Yeah, the bit you changed to show the amount that the bar is decreased upon eating a new type of food is great. The old statement about 30%, 21% etc is just wrong and confusing though. The bar is decreased by the amount in your formula for every new food that you eat:
0.632*sqrt(58)=4.8 (approx)
# foods FEP req Difference
0 58
1 53.2 4.8
2 48.4 4.8
3 43.6 4.8
4 38.8 4.8
5 34 4.8
6 29.2 4.8
7 24.4 4.8
8 19.6 4.8
Cheers,
Gunnar
58 -> 58 - 0.632*sqrt(58) = 4.81 -> 53.2 - 0.632*sqrt(53.2) = 4.6 -> 48.6
You can test it ingame anyhow.
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brohammed
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Re: Updated wiki FEP article
FEPs that you need to fill a food bar are reduced for each and every unique food that you eat while filling that FEP bar. The FEPs given by the food do not matter, as long as the type of food if different.
This isn't exactly a contradiction but it sort of reads like one. The first sentence is clearer.If you eat food that provides only Strength FEPs you will need X total FEPs to increase an attribute, but if you then eat food that provdes Dexterity FEPs, you will need <X FEPs.
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Sitting_Bill
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Re: Updated wiki FEP article
The data in the table I gave are from an in game test. So I think I'm right, unless I'm hallucinating... Feel free to prove me wrong with tests of your ownDatOneGuy wrote: It decreases by the current value
58 -> 58 - 0.632*sqrt(58) = 4.81 -> 53.2 - 0.632*sqrt(53.2) = 4.6 -> 48.6
You can test it ingame anyhow.
Cheers
Gunnar
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MagicManICT
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Re: Updated wiki FEP article
Thanks for the extra information there, guys. The table as an example looks like a great idea. It's certainly better than the 'approximate' decreases which I agree aren't accurate, but at least show diminishing returns.
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Sitting_Bill
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Re: Updated wiki FEP article
Well, according to my tests the diminishing returns act only on the part of the formula that you provide, and the full formula is this:MagicManICT wrote:Thanks for the extra information there, guys. The table as an example looks like a great idea. It's certainly better than the 'approximate' decreases which I agree aren't accurate, but at least show diminishing returns.
T=total FEP required
N=number of different foods eaten
L=largest attribute
First define (as you do, correctly):
M=2*sqrt(L/10)
Then the total FEP required to raise is:
T=L-M*N
which does not have diminishing returns, apart from in the calculation for M. Within each raise, it is completely linear.
Cheers
Gunnar
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MagicManICT
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Re: Updated wiki FEP article
Thanks for the extra information, but the formula I posted is directly from Loftar. If you're saying he's wrong, please write and correct him.Sitting_Bill wrote:[
Well, according to my tests the diminishing returns act only on the part of the formula that you provide [...]
which does not have diminishing returns, apart from in the calculation for M. Within each raise, it is completely linear.
I know the formula posted so far isn't perfect. My high end math skills are rusty and again, I'm trying to come up with a page that's accurate as well as easy to read for anyone without strong math skills. Everyone's help is appreciated.
This is a busy weekend for me, so I probably won't get time to update this thread or the wiki with what I'm working on. I certainly don't own the information posted there, so feel free to sign up and edit in or post what you think will help on the talk page.
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