Debate about RMT in Haven and Hearth

[rye130]

I wouldn't exactly call pearl hunting fun.

I enjoy it! Want to pay me to do it for ya

[rye130]

[quote="Tonkyhonk]
i am switching my tactics depedning on whom im talking to.
with you, id better talk more about morality cause you seem to be another minor who dont understand real world yet.

lol

Didn't even see that part. Just because I'm young doesn't mean I'm stupid. I didn't understand what you said because basically what I quoted wasn't even a sentence.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

The lol was to Tonky, because he/she is heavily underestimating you.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

My response was to Tonky as well. I understood that your lol was aimed at Tonky not me haha. Stupid internet making things hard!

[Tonkyhonk]

when i mention "young" or similar on the forums, im not talking about his/her actual age just so you know.

[DatOneGuy]

when i mention "young" or similar on the forums, im not talking about his/her actual age just so you know.

Then you should perhaps consider using a different word, given the subject at hand.

[Tonkyhonk]

Then you should perhaps consider using a different word, given the subject at hand.

i would if i could find an appropriate word. its more like my guess work from what he/she has written, and i would rather avoid using "immature" for what i mean there.

[Skorm]

Then you should perhaps consider using a different word, given the subject at hand.

i would if i could find an appropriate word. its more like my guess work from what he/she has written, and i would rather avoid using "immature" for what i mean there.

unexperienced?

[DatOneGuy]

I doubt maturity or experience have anything to do with it, I've seen f2p MMOs go both ways bad and good from RMT. I've seen some of my favorite MMOs turn to shitfests from RMTs, but I've also seen RMTs do damn near nothing while companies spend tons of resources policing them for no damn reason because they get through anyway.

This isn't even chinese RMT levels yet and there's a big difference between someone making an actual business out of your game and trades for cash happening between players.

[Jackard]

some dude wasting cash on h&h? i invoke the spectre of chinese gold farmers, weep at the inevitable downfall of your beloved game

[Tonkyhonk]

maybe i hadnt made myself clear there, skorm quoting the part of my post made only that part stand out.
i was talking about legitimacy of the thread itself with Jackard (and DoG later) and then rye started talking about his own desire of wanting to sell curios for money. that is why i said "im switching to morality" with him and called him young.


DoG,
what you dont understand is that you keep on saying how low moral those russians have got for doing anything they can to win the game, while you are encouraging more of such activities by encouraging RMT here. greed, once it starts, has no end, especially when it comes to real life money. without RMT, e.g. duping would still be only for their own usage, but with it, it would be doubled and multipled for selling. can you expect them to report bugs? look at all those posts some new players keep on making without realizing this game is not an official service? do we want more of them?

UNLESS devs have prepared this game with an RMT-friendly system, it does not do any good, but only invites issues that many people are aware of from many other MMOs out there. if you do not know any real issues RMTs can bring to game worlds and players' real lives, go google yourself once again. it will be too late to stop it once it gets to "the level" you are mentioning.

do you guys even remember this?

[DatOneGuy]

maybe i hadnt made myself clear there, skorm quoting the part of my post made only that part stand out.
i was talking about legitimacy of the thread itself with Jackard (and DoG later) and then rye started talking about his own desire of wanting to sell curios for money. that is why i said "im switching to morality" with him and called him young.


DoG,
what you dont understand is that you keep on saying how low moral those russians have got for doing anything they can to win the game, while you are encouraging more of such activities by encouraging RMT here. greed, once it starts, has no end, especially when it comes to real life money. without RMT, e.g. duping would still be only for their own usage, but with it, it would be doubled and multipled for selling. can you expect them to report bugs? look at all those posts some new players keep on making without realizing this game is not an official service? do we want more of them? no.

UNLESS devs have prepared this game with an RMT-friendly system, it does not do any good, but only invites issues that many people are aware of from many other MMOs out there. if you do not know any real issues RMTs can bring to game worlds and players' real lives, go google yourself once again. it will be too late to stop it once it gets to "the level" you are mentioning.

do you guys even remember this?

Jeez, it's not RMT friendly it's RMT neutral.

I'm not saying RMT is a 'good' thing I'm saying making a distinction is pointless and no one is going to police the shit if you outlaw it.

I'm not exactly questioning their morals or at least I wasn't with everything, things that were clearly against the rules yes like using bugs without reporting them. Hiding in vaults and exploiting mechanics to the most? I've been more just pissed in general, not at them. I'm pissed JnL don't have the time to implement a proper fix giving strength to proper towns instead of vaults, am I mad at them for not having the time? Partly, but I can't blame them fully. Am I mad at russians who abuse said mechanics? Partly, but not fully.

I still see a big difference between RMT as a business and `RMT` as just trades, and so far these are just trades, you guys are overreacting and believing that just because one thing happens it's going to be a huge slippery slope that is unfixable. As it stands right now, with the devs having not replied when I asked about this long ago in the moderation thread, we can assume it's low on their care list ATM, so until they say something it's against the rules, it's fair to assume it's still in the rules, and the mods are doing what the hell they're supposed to do, treating it like a trade thread with no distinction between it, (because any distinction is to be made BY them or by the devs), and it's totes cool to do it.