Did any Americans watch "Your Interview with the President"?

[burgingham]

Obama didnt recall the troops, Iraq and bush admin did. It would have taken and act of both govt's to change that timeline, and would have required a legitimate reason.

Remind me please, who was it that sent the troops there without any legitimate reason in the first place? Killing thousands and thousands of people without having a proper casus belli?

[a63ntorange1]

Damnit, I had a very detailed and backed up post that I was going to respond with, and the forum ate it......

All I guess I will say which is lame, is Bush sucks but obama is way worse.

Establishment republicans arent true conservatives, they just like to tack on the title for votes. Ron paul is a true conservative if there ever was one.

Also the war in Iraq, while dodgy as to why we went in, was legal by congressional standards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

We just never justified it in the end. However we did give saddam like 3 months before we showed up to hide those wmds, or sell them to syria or iran, or just bury them in a bunker in the desert. I assume noone forgot about him dropping mustard gas and shit on the kurds.

Your reply holds very little water though, I assume you have already forgotten about Obama dropping bombs on libya for 3 months with nothing even close to a congressional vote even. Was war criminal status at worst, shameful and very unamerican at best.

http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/4694

[burgingham]

Establishment republicans arent true conservatives, they just like to tack on the title for votes. Ron paul is a true conservative if there ever was one.
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Ron Paul is a Libartarian who just switched to the Republican party to propagate his actual parties ideology. He has done this before. Not saying he isn't the only Republican candidate who actually tells what he truly believes in, still. I wouldn't call him conservative at all. People often mistake that since the Libartarian parties program cannot be measured along a common left-wing vs right-wing, conservative vs. liberal lines. They are actually very liberal in many aspects too, then sometimes quite conservative. One needs to make a new scale for measuring them in a political spectrum.

You might want to follow our discussion in the other thread about American democracy that has somewhat derailed into a general philosophy thread on conflicting views on how the world, politics and the economy work or should work. Ron Paul has been a topic there too and Jorb just loves him some Libatarians

[burgingham]

Your reply holds very little water though, I assume you have already forgotten about Obama dropping bombs on libya for 3 months with nothing even close to a congressional vote even. Was war criminal status at worst, shameful and very unamerican at best.

http://homelandsecurityus.com/archives/4694

Your congressional standards mean sh** when it comes to going to war. It is the Geneva Conventions and the United Nations that are the moral and legal measuring method when it comes to invading another country. I am not saying the invasion of Libya was rightful, but it was at least approved of by the UN Security Council and thus clean under international law.

You are not really still telling the story of Saddam having wmds, are you? I am sorry I tried to argue with you on a serious level, I didn't read that part. That also explains why you think Ron Paul is a conservative. Many conservatives do and have no idea who the man really is or what he stands for. To think the Tea Party supports him probably gives him a lot of little giggles every night before he goes to sleep.

[a63ntorange1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack

You know this is the same person we ousted, and blamed for WMD's right? Its not like he didn't have them. He just may not have had them in his possession when we finally rolled into their military bases half a year later to look for them in earnest with military brigades, and cnn news anchors. That is what caused the whole Gulf War illness crap when bush sr. invaded iraq the first time, with the entire UN. Also I fail to see how we didnt have the support of the UN anyways, didn't the UK, France (lol), Germany, Australia, Canada, and a host of smaller countries all join us in the war in some fashion? Who didnt approve it, China and Russia? The same people that think that Syria's govt should be allowed to wholesale slaughter civilians that are protesting?

However, none of it really matters, the entire war makes about as much sense as the holy crusades the Pope used to send the saxons on. If your not going to claim the land your fighting for, wtf are we doing there. Entropy will just set in, and youll have to do it over again. We cant fundamentally change a culture that has developed over more time than ours was even dreamed of, overnight. You would have to go in and force the change on a daily, all encompassing manner, much like when the sun never set on the British empire. All we are doing is losing valuable american citizens, and ravaging our economy.

I am not saying the invasion of Libya was rightful, but it was at least approved of by the UN Security Council and thus clean under international law.

He is the president of the United States, not the UN, I could give a crap about the UN, its a complete waste of tax payers dollars for many countries. What kind of justification is that anyways, its illegal where i live and was elected to defend the laws, but since the UN says its ok, I can do it anyways? pfft.

[MagicManICT]

To think the Tea Party supports him probably gives him a lot of little giggles every night before he goes to sleep.

Your reply holds very little water though, I assume you have already forgotten about Obama dropping bombs on libya for 3 months with nothing even close to a congressional vote even. Was war criminal status at worst, shameful and very unamerican at best.

Burg answered that best, but you COMPLETELY missed the fact that the President is allowed to commit troops as he/she wishes. However, it takes Congress to fund these troops or declare an actual Act of War. Thus, any commitment of troops is usually limited as in the case of Libya, Bosnia, etc.

[burgingham]

He is the president of the United States, not the UN, I could give a crap about the UN, its a complete waste of tax payers dollars for many countries. What kind of justification is that anyways, its illegal where i live and was elected to defend the laws, but since the UN says its ok, I can do it anyways? pfft.

Yeah that's what I thought.

[a63ntorange1]

"Specifically, the War Powers Resolution requires the president to provide written notification to Congress of the introduction of U.S. armed forces into hostilities within forty-eight hours of such action. The president must explain the reasons forces were inserted in a hostile situation, the executive's authority for doing so, and the scope and duration of the military action. In addition, the president is required to terminate the use of military forces after sixty days unless Congress has declared war. "




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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html Note: missed deadline, media brushed it under the carpet.