Awful combat system

[TeckXKnight]

"Every game i play online, When all the forums come to talk about combat system Haven and Hearth gets voted the worst, And i agree."

I call bullshit, I bet the raw majority of gamers have never even "heard" of Haven much less have a problem with it's combat system.

Obviously this is bullshit but don't let his lies detract from the meat of his argument.

[Kriegwolf]

That you are incapable of handling foes is purely on your player skill. Your skill values have very little to do with it. Mind you there are minimums. I don't think it's possible to win a fight against a bear without 3 MC or UAC. I know you can do it with 5. If you're really scared you can shoot for 10 but then you're just wasting time. You can usually kill newbies with 1 MC or UAC too since they just panic and run.

I'd look at ye trying to kill a bear with 5 UAC alone.

[TeckXKnight]

I'd look at ye trying to kill a bear with 5 UAC alone.

Ya, with animal AI the way it is, it's pitifully easy. Hunting poses no challenge what-so-ever to anyone even mildly knowledgeable about the game. It's not even some closely held secret, it just utilizes twitch hunting and combat skills.

[Kriegwolf]

And still, the bear will regain def faster than you make it go down. Opp knocks won't do much good, either, 'cause bear would just KO you before you do any shit. A boat might help, but the AI's so laggy that the bear would probably ignore you for some time just to fuck up your boat.

[Arcanist]

Maybe if you have 5UA and all the best gear.

If you can do it with just 5uac and a ~20ql sword, I will eat my hat.

[MagicManICT]

Maybe if you have 5UA and all the best gear.

If you can do it with just 5uac and a ~20ql sword, I will eat my hat.

Hell, if I was witness to this, I'd make a new character and be the person's slave for a month just cause they showed it could be done without dying. (Given the state of the game and amount of lag... NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!!)

[TeckXKnight]

The best gear would do nothing to help you. Mind you a sword would make it go faster but no one has a sword day 1. You just need Charge and Opp Knock. If you have the patience to also get Leadership then you can be lazy but it takes longer when you call down the thunder due to the recharge time on it.

[Kriegwolf]

Well, the numbers DO say it's possible, so... yeah.
Though this has to do nothing with pvp, maybe movement combat otherwise. I don't see how you deal with a player which has 4x your UA.

[TeckXKnight]

This is an old guide from W4 that I was supposed to update and just never did.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16722

Along the way of manhandling animals it became entirely evident that you could kill an animal fine if you'd stop being so afraid of it.

[Kriegwolf]

I see i was just bad with numbers back then. Anyway, closer to the topic... I quite find this system interesting. So i don't see what's so wrong if it's harder then in any other game.
P.S. I don't think you could kill a high skill player just like you theoretically do with animals, anyway.