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LadyV
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Re: The e-mails I get...
I can't say the language used in forums as always being polite or even correct but to attempt to use threats and connections to sabotage a persons work is far more unethical than some biggoted words. I guess the burden still goes back to you because in your accusations did you ever ask the developers of their personal stand before doing so? If not you are no better than what you accuse.
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cobaltjones
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Re: The e-mails I get...
No it can't. Those are all actual words with actual defined meanings.dagrimreefah wrote: The same can be said for such terms as "homophobia", "racism" and "bigotry".
I used the PC term as more of a convention of convenience more than anything. Would the term "whiny bitch" be more suitable?
They're not a completely fabricated term that's used as a pejorative in order to defend bigotry.
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dagrimreefah
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Re: The e-mails I get...
Just because someone says a word doesn't mean they're not a decent human being.cobaltjones wrote:When the term is used, it's deflecting blame away from the offending individual and instead saying "there's nothing wrong with this, but THE MAN doesn't want me to say it or he'll get offended".
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dagrimreefah
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Re: The e-mails I get...
The term "homophobia" had an original meaning: It meant the fear of the same. That is until political forces eventually worked in the changing of the definition into the one you know today.cobaltjones wrote:No it can't. Those are all actual words with actual defined meanings.dagrimreefah wrote: The same can be said for such terms as "homophobia", "racism" and "bigotry".
I used the PC term as more of a convention of convenience more than anything. Would the term "whiny bitch" be more suitable?
They're not a completely fabricated term that's used as a pejorative in order to defend bigotry.
EDIT: The intent of my original post was to show how this Brandon fellow threw around these terms very easily, when in reality it isn't true at all. It is very easy today to accuse someone (particularly white males) of being either racist, "homophobic", or a bigot. Due to the political nature of society today, the burden of proof is usually left to white male heterosexual to prove they are not. Sorry, that's just fact bud.
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Sevenless
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Re: The e-mails I get...
And the swastika used to be a religious symbol. Things change, and you have to respect that things garner new meanings over time.dagrimreefah wrote:The term "homophobia" had an original meaning: It meant the fear of the same. That is until political forces eventually worked in the changing of the definition into the one you know today.cobaltjones wrote:No it can't. Those are all actual words with actual defined meanings.dagrimreefah wrote: The same can be said for such terms as "homophobia", "racism" and "bigotry".
I used the PC term as more of a convention of convenience more than anything. Would the term "whiny bitch" be more suitable?
They're not a completely fabricated term that's used as a pejorative in order to defend bigotry.
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Lucky: can be so ugly, can be so heartwarming
Sevenless: it is life
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dagrimreefah
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Re: The e-mails I get...
No, the swastika is the same symbol used by a totally different culture for a totally different reason. Just because things change doesn't mean I have to respect them.Sevenless wrote:
And the swastika used to be a religious symbol. Things change, and you have to respect that things garner new meanings over time.
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naosnule
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Re: The e-mails I get...
Sounds more like an application of the definition of "homophobia" in the field of sexuality rather than a change of the definition. That non-mainstream sexualities have gained more and more respect over the most recent decades is probably the largest reason for why we immidietely come to think of that specific application rather than than the more general one. We don't ask "In which context did you intend to use "homophobia"?", we assume due to historic reasons that it is a sexual context.dagrimreefah wrote:The term "homophobia" had an original meaning: It meant the fear of the same. That is until political forces eventually worked in the changing of the definition into the one you know today.cobaltjones wrote:No it can't. Those are all actual words with actual defined meanings.dagrimreefah wrote: The same can be said for such terms as "homophobia", "racism" and "bigotry".
I used the PC term as more of a convention of convenience more than anything. Would the term "whiny bitch" be more suitable?
They're not a completely fabricated term that's used as a pejorative in order to defend bigotry.
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dagrimreefah
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Re: The e-mails I get...
Totally agree. I'm just a little anal when it comes to etymology. :pnaosnule wrote:
Sounds more like an application of the definition of "homophobia" in the field of sexuality rather than a change of the definition. That non-mainstream sexualities have gained more and more respect over the most recent decades is probably the largest reason for why we immidietely come to think of that specific application rather than than the more general one. We don't ask "In which context did you intend to use "homophobia"?", we assume due to historic reasons that it is a sexual context.
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loftar
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Re: The e-mails I get...
You also need to realize, however, that people drawing swastikas into the ground in Haven (usually) don't do it because they are actual nazis and intend to make a statement about the objective superiority of their race or as a celebration to the greatness of Hitler.Sevenless wrote:And the swastika used to be a religious symbol. Things change, and you have to respect that things garner new meanings over time.
Likewise, the use of the word "nigger" in the image linked to from the OP is hardly meant as a statement about the inferiority of black people, but as a general insult. Since, you know, we all agree that it's a pejorative word that can be used to insult people.
EDIT: Arguing, then, that it is "mere political correctness" to have to refrain from using "nigger" in that context is not at all trying to "deflect blame" for insulting people; everyone knows that it was an insult and intended as such, and noone is even trying to deny that. It's just pointing out that banning that word has nothing to do with the use of the word to insult niggers for being niggers, but merely as a silly and pointless ban of the word itself, isolated from any of its possible meanings (because one of its uses is a thoughtcrime which must be prevented from being even conceived).
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