Skype conferences?

[TokyoShovel]

I am sorry for not being very clear.

I am currently a member of Leaders conference, but I was hoping to find active conferences discussing treaty negotiations, live trade conferences to get up to date supply/demand, ect. I am surprised at the lack of communication I have been able to find that is discussing "Official" business.

Why would anyone do "official" business in a conference filled with random people. Business is done one on one or in conferences with people you trust and who trust you. Anything else is pure foolishness.

[Vaku]

Why would anyone do "official" business in a conference filled with random people. Business is done one on one or in conferences with people you trust and who trust you. Anything else is pure foolishness.

People who are in representative roles are not random. More importantly, the supposed random people would all be HnH players. They all share that common trait. Trust is built, and you don't get that without making connections. Such conferences are the way to go.

[TokyoShovel]

Well, if you don't consider the people in say, the "Leadership Conference" random and you trust all of them, by all means, do your business in there. Also: Be waiting to be raided.

[Sevenless]

Mostly people just use those conferences for shit chat and getting contact info for important people.

[TokyoShovel]

Mostly people just use those conferences for shit chat and getting contact info for important people.

My point exactly, but this guy seems to think there should be all kinds of "business" being thrown about in a conference like that which would of course lead to a ton of raiding and backstabbing and who needs that?

[Vaku]

Mostly people just use those conferences for shit chat and getting contact info for important people.

My point exactly, but this guy seems to think there should be all kinds of "business" being thrown about in a conference like that which would of course lead to a ton of raiding and backstabbing and who needs that?

There seems to be a misunderstanding of what it means to negotiate. Public negotiation allows witnesses to hold the respective parties in check. I'm speaking more towards something like the leadership conference in this regard.

Public negotiation does not mean the revealing of compromising information.

You say that, "of course" business would lead to raiding, but I'm confused on how you get to that conclusion.

Also, backstabbing is not something that is a natural by-product of public discourse. It's something that occurs when

people you trust.

betray your trust.

Backstabbing can happen anywhere in that respect. So please, elaborate on your cynicism.

[MagicManICT]

Provide me a real world example of this "public negotiation" you talk about?

[Vaku]

Provide me a real world example of this "public negotiation" you talk about?

Pictures for the feeble-minded and links for the investigative.

United Nations


U.S. Senate


U.S. House of Representatives


Those people conduct deals, reach agreements, announce problems, work towards solutions, sign treaties, declare war.

Privately, they may backstab, extort, be bribed, philander, they shit-talk each other (sometimes publicly).

But in those places, things have a tendency to get done.

We have the very same capacity to do so in HnH for the sake of fun. It all depends on how much you want to accomplish in game. If you want to create something world-class and be productive, or make something meager and hide in hole, it all starts with you.

Leadership and business is for the former.

[MagicManICT]

Sucker. The "public" portions of those are all fine and good, but the real work goes on behind closed doors at every single one of those organizations. Little sees the light of day unless it needs a public vote.

I'll tell you much like I've said to jorb and his economic posts. Having an ideal of how the world should work together is good. It gives you a goal in life to work towards. Be a realistic person, though, and accept your idealistic view of things will probably never happen.

[FFDreke]

Provide me a real world example of this "public negotiation" you talk about?

Pictures for the feeble-minded and links for the investigative.

United Nations


U.S. Senate


U.S. House of Representatives


Those people conduct deals, reach agreements, announce problems, work towards solutions, sign treaties, declare war.

Privately, they may backstab, extort, be bribed, philander, they shit-talk each other (sometimes publicly).

But in those places, things have a tendency to get done.

We have the very same capacity to do so in HnH for the sake of fun. It all depends on how much you want to accomplish in game. If you want to create something world-class and be productive, or make something meager and hide in hole, it all starts with you.

Leadership and business is for the former.

The problem with your allusions is that you presume that the Hearth is anything like Earth.

You're coming from a fundamentally flawed preconception that the word of law is passable in HnH. It's not.

Hearth is a haven for those who believe is Darwin's law. People are held accountable based on their sovereign right to do as they are physically and mentally capable, nothing else. To pretend that a few people can prance around in a "room" and dictate the wills of the majority in Hearth, you are wrong.

In Earth, we are bound by the rule of law. Fortunately for us, there is no Corporate law in haven, nor should there be. The people are all that matter.

If I want to live a life of vengeance, I can. Bloodlust? I can. Reclusion? I can. Valor? I can.

Skype conferences, much like your 3rd pic example, are self-parody jokes. You know what happens in them? You can see it in the picture. A lot of self-serving decisions that just so happen to ripple out into the unassuming's lives. Everyone's standing around in small groups. That's not legislative, that's a cocktail party off the rich and powerful.

Your 2nd picture is drawn for a reason. It's a fiction of the past, presuming that people were more civil when they were beholden to both their own, and other's, flesh and blood, and acted accordingly.

The UN is the only example you've used that is a viable one, but that's only because everyone theere is under the Geneva convention AND they speak different languages! They have to be patient and civil!