Palisade hearth vaults. Legal?

Ask, answer and discuss any and all topics about the hows, whys, wheres and whens of playing Haven & Hearth.
User avatar
NOOBY93
Posts: 6528
Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:12 pm

Re: Palisade hearth vaults. Legal?

Post by NOOBY93 »

It's not legal if it can be destroyed!!
It's legal if you abuse things that aren't walls, as walls.
You CAN'T use water as defense. That was fixed. It was illegal.
It's STILL illegal to use statues as defense, doesn't matter it can be bashed, it's illegal because it's abuse of objects that aren't walls.
Jalpha wrote:I believe in my interpretation of things.
User avatar
NOOBY93
Posts: 6528
Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:12 pm

Re: Palisade hearth vaults. Legal?

Post by NOOBY93 »

Woops double post sorry.
Last edited by NOOBY93 on Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:39 pm, edited 7 times in total.
Jalpha wrote:I believe in my interpretation of things.
User avatar
Windforce
Posts: 846
Joined: Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:58 pm
Location: City of Bevelle

Re: Palisade hearth vaults. Legal?

Post by Windforce »

With enough bricks, you can make a mountain a HV that requires a week to break through.
Lilith Ravenclaw
Lawspeaker - City of Bevelle (World 3)
User avatar
TeckXKnight
Posts: 8274
Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:31 am
Location: How Do I?

Re: Palisade hearth vaults. Legal?

Post by TeckXKnight »

You guys are over complicating it. If within reasonable boundaries of the game's mechanics a base can be breached, it is not illegal. If it is impossible to breach for any reason or would require bugs or an exploit to reach, it's illegal.

A brick wall on day 3 is not a vault while a brick wall surrounded with old world mining shafts is. The brick wall on day 3 can be rammed and broken by players playing the game. Short of a wall jump or dev nuke, no one was going to get into a vault surrounded by invulnerable mine shafts.
User avatar
NOOBY93
Posts: 6528
Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:12 pm

Re: Palisade hearth vaults. Legal?

Post by NOOBY93 »

TeckXKnight wrote:You guys are over complicating it. If within reasonable boundaries of the game's mechanics a base can be breached, it is not illegal. If it is impossible to breach for any reason or would require bugs or an exploit to reach, it's illegal.

A brick wall on day 3 is not a vault while a brick wall surrounded with old world mining shafts is. The brick wall on day 3 can be rammed and broken by players playing the game. Short of a wall jump or dev nuke, no one was going to get into a vault surrounded by invulnerable mine shafts.
Actually, a vault is a place where you store your hearth fire so your main village doesn't get found.
It doesn't need mining holes around it to be a vault.
One of the devs said that it's illegal if it abuses auth objects in any way. Minehole isn't an auth object but it counts too, so I'd say it's illegal if it abuses non-wall objects as wall.
There was an underground vault with 1 and only 1 spot where you can build ram. IT WAS ILLEGAL.
Jalpha wrote:I believe in my interpretation of things.
User avatar
krikke93
Posts: 3313
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:23 pm
Location: Belgium

Re: Palisade hearth vaults. Legal?

Post by krikke93 »

The hardest vault to find/break-in I can think of is a layer 5 vault without any access to it (mineholes destroyed). Even this is theoretically considered legal since you can get there by building new mineholes.
Hope you have a great day
User avatar
MagicManICT
Posts: 18435
Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:47 am

Re: Palisade hearth vaults. Legal?

Post by MagicManICT »

NOOBY93 wrote:[
It doesn't need mining holes around it to be a vault.
Nobody said this. It was just one example of several of what was an illegal vault. This was fixed by making mineshafts destructible, just like indestructible island vaults were fixed by not allowing players to pave within a tile of the shore.
One of the devs said that it's illegal if it abuses auth objects in any way. Minehole isn't an auth object but it counts too, so I'd say it's illegal if it abuses non-wall objects as wall.
Was that before or after the change to AUTH objects?
There was an underground vault with 1 and only 1 spot where you can build ram. IT WAS ILLEGAL.
You remember about where/when this was stated? I had seen a couple of other builds at/near swamps that had made use of the same basic idea (can only RAM at a single point) and the devs never made a comment on it. Not to mention I can't think of a single possible way that this could even happen other than the perfect alignment of cave entrances.
Opinions expressed in this statement are the authors alone and in no way reflect on the game development values of the actual developers.
User avatar
NOOBY93
Posts: 6528
Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:12 pm

Re: Palisade hearth vaults. Legal?

Post by NOOBY93 »

MagicManICT wrote:
NOOBY93 wrote:[
It doesn't need mining holes around it to be a vault.
Nobody said this. It was just one example of several of what was an illegal vault. This was fixed by making mineshafts destructible, just like indestructible island vaults were fixed by not allowing players to pave within a tile of the shore.
One of the devs said that it's illegal if it abuses auth objects in any way. Minehole isn't an auth object but it counts too, so I'd say it's illegal if it abuses non-wall objects as wall.
Was that before or after the change to AUTH objects?
There was an underground vault with 1 and only 1 spot where you can build ram. IT WAS ILLEGAL.
You remember about where/when this was stated? I had seen a couple of other builds at/near swamps that had made use of the same basic idea (can only RAM at a single point) and the devs never made a comment on it. Not to mention I can't think of a single possible way that this could even happen other than the perfect alignment of cave entrances.
W6, someone made a HUGE brickwall with only 1 rammable place (it was completely statued except one place where statues circled a 3x3 floor in front of wall, so ram can only be built there)
It was nuked.
Jalpha wrote:I believe in my interpretation of things.
User avatar
Tonkyhonk
Posts: 4501
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:43 am

Re: Palisade hearth vaults. Legal?

Post by Tonkyhonk »

why do people always have to ask or define if something is legal or illegal?
listen to your conscience and play legit.
User avatar
Seizure
Posts: 1021
Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:55 pm

Re: Palisade hearth vaults. Legal?

Post by Seizure »

Because we sold our conscience for curios silly.

Return to “How do I?”