Dual wield swords

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Re: Dual wield swords

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Kheyre wrote:It should be possible to actually get stats from the second sword, but have change the stats of the second sword depending on your melee and then add the damage to your overall damage.
Weapons don't give stats.
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Re: Dual wield swords

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Well you know what i mean, the damage.
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Re: Dual wield swords

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Why would carrying multiple swords give extra damage? Explain the physics of it.
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You hold both swords in your hands together. The extra strength of two arms keeps the acceleration of the blades the same, while the doubling of the striking mass increases the force inflicted by the blow. Just make sure your swords have crossguards, and not tsuba. ;)
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Re: Dual wield swords

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That and, more surface area for you to strike stuff with.
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There we go! Sorry, onionfighter, looks like we have conclusive physics-based proof.

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Re: Dual wield swords

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Because you may take more damage for not having a shield to block with but you can dish out more damage from being able to hit more.
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Actually, you want *less* surface.
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depends on what you are doing. With a sword, the cutting edge is of course very narrow, so doubling it (and remember, you are not doubling the striking edge of one sword, which would create a dull sword) creates more surface area of the TARGET. Which means that for the same power, you are causing twice as much tissue damage by holding two swords in a double-handed grip. If you took a single sword and doubled its area of impact, of COURSE that would hurt the efficacy of the attack. But we have two seperate swords here.

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niltrias wrote:Which means that for the same power, you are causing twice as much tissue damage by holding two swords in a double-handed grip.
Your ignoring physics here, you don't magically get twice the strength using two swords over one sword with two hands then your damage is the same because force = mass * accelleration and there is only so much force you can put into your swing so twice the mass means half the accelleration, the resultant force is again the same.

In reality you slightly more as you increase mass but I doubt two half weight swords would be as easy to swing as one normal weight sword (or two normal weight to one double weight, whichever you perfer).

As to larger surface area, pressure is force over area and we know the force is the same, or there abouts, so as you increase the area you decrease the power. This is why stiletto heels on a lithe girl will damage floors but the fat guy in sneakers has no effect. There is an argument that assuming you sill have cutting power to penetrate armour, clothes and skin then you'll do more damage because the single edge has an excess of force behind it and a lot of wasted. Although I would imagine this would have involved cutting clean through the body and so probably a mute point.

I won't disagree about a two weapons style being a good thing in general but the line of your argument is just wrong.

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