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Fernegulus
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Re: The Ghost of Christmas Future, II
What's the point of fighting bots in a grinding game anyways?
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bmjclark
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Re: The Ghost of Christmas Future, II
As far as game mechanics it's good to listen to people to some extent. People trying to suggest how to stop bots by saying stuff like this is not very helpful.LadyV wrote:
Just because someone does not have a background in programming or computer science does not mean they do not have good ideas. Never dismiss another persons voice. Some may not understand whats involved or need to be told why somehting can not work but they are here and being active in some regard.
YarPirate wrote: check to see if the mouse is moving across the screen properly or teleporting.
YarPirate wrote:Get the server to check the specific Client version every 60 seconds to 5 minutes. Most if not all MMO's do this.
If there was a solution so simple loftar would of done it already im sure. If there were solutions so simple there wouldn't be bots in every mmo in the world. The fact is those "solutions" are about as helpful as saying "stop bots by stopping bots"
Most likely the only way we're gonna see botting stop is if the game mechanics themselves discourage them, and even then people will bot anything that can give a small advantage. Anything else will likely require to much time policing the game.
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ArvinJA
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Re: The Ghost of Christmas Future, II
Zero tolerance won't work, we need harm reduction. Really, the best way is to create ambiguity and so on, things players are better at dealing with than bots, this often makes for better gameplay as well. Imo the jorbtar has a pretty good model in place for that. Since botting isn't officially against TOS, one is free to expose various exploits, the jorbtar can then respond by making the gameplay more resistant to them, creating a better game overall while doing so. Putting effort into anti-botting measures would probably take up all their time, way better then, to have them aware of what's possible to exploit so that it can be taken into consideration as they ponder meaningful gameplay.plz stop bot make dogmen
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Re: The Ghost of Christmas Future, II
Word!ArvinJA wrote:to the point
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Re: The Ghost of Christmas Future, II
+1borka wrote:Word!ArvinJA wrote:to the point
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shubla
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Re: The Ghost of Christmas Future, II
Look whos quoting others posts! Adding less than sentance on them!jorb wrote:+1borka wrote:Word!ArvinJA wrote:to the point
Also on spam section of Rules:
Put some effort into your posting! We would like to see some actual discussion not empty "+1".

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jorb
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Re: The Ghost of Christmas Future, II
You see, there's a difference. These are my forums, and when I post in agreement, it actually matters to the subject matter of them.
Also, I did not quote a wall of text.
So, there. You have been put in your place.
Please remain seated.
Also, I did not quote a wall of text.
So, there. You have been put in your place.
Please remain seated.
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LadyV
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Re: The Ghost of Christmas Future, II
In reply to those on my statement earlier:
I am defending no one or any specific thoughts that have been placed forth. I am defending their right to contribute. As I clearly said the first time, people may be wrong and may need to be told why they are wrong but that is separate from saying if you are not skilled in this you cant contribute.
Now as for the comments about not knowing... whatever the excuse was. People all the time rise above and beyond their field of knowledge and comfort to create wonderful ideas, visions, and inventions. People can surprise you.
Now all this being said those same people are accountable for their words as well. I may support your right to be heard but do try and contribute knowingly and certainly with respect.
I am defending no one or any specific thoughts that have been placed forth. I am defending their right to contribute. As I clearly said the first time, people may be wrong and may need to be told why they are wrong but that is separate from saying if you are not skilled in this you cant contribute.
Now as for the comments about not knowing... whatever the excuse was. People all the time rise above and beyond their field of knowledge and comfort to create wonderful ideas, visions, and inventions. People can surprise you.
Now all this being said those same people are accountable for their words as well. I may support your right to be heard but do try and contribute knowingly and certainly with respect.
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Jackard
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Re: The Ghost of Christmas Future, II
"Rules are enforced at moderator discretion. Report any posts you feel break the rules instead of replying to them. Any concerns regarding a moderated post or thread should be taken to the moderation discussion thread. Do not derail threads with posts discussing moderator actions."salty shubla wrote:Look whos quoting others posts! Adding less than sentance on them!
Also on spam section of Rules:
Put some effort into your posting! We would like to see some actual discussion not empty "+1".
You should probably read the rules before trying to quote us on them. Also pick up basic netiquette, because attempting to rules-lawyer the owner is fairly stupid.
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Tonkyhonk
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Re: The Ghost of Christmas Future, II
if they really want to contribute and start talking about "rights", they should do some homework.LadyV wrote:I am defending their right to contribute. As I clearly said the first time, people may be wrong and may need to be told why they are wrong but that is separate from saying if you are not skilled in this you cant contribute.
would you appreciate loads of people who never baked a cake coming to your cooking recipe blog, starting to tell you that you should melt butter in a microwave instead of hot water because that's what they have seen as a normal method, repeatedly one after another over years, when you had already explained how it could fail?
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what i mean is, its of course fine to show your stupidity if you dont mind it, but dont start blaming others for pointing that out. also, having a programmer friend doesnt give you a credit for programming.
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