The Ghost of Christmas Future, II

[Myzreal]

server side to PHP.

PHP is a tragic choice for a full blown game server. It's good for a website backend.

[Granger]

Thanks. I've never heard of Lisp before. Going to look that up now.

I was warned away from Python :p. And that PHP is what I should use server side.

python is great for learning how to code, but it isn't as fast, performance wise, as c

You can use PyPy as runtime to have it faster (thanks to JiT - compared to CPython), and at the end profile and convert the critical sections to a compiled extension (C or RPython or whatever works for you).
For concurrency stackless is very interesting, EVE-Online relies on (and is happy with) it for their servers.

nobody should use php for applications, it's at best a template engine, and the things it is at worst shouldn't be said in public

See also: http://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fra ... ad-design/ or just google 'php sucks' and read some of the first hits.

[loftar]

That's peculiar. Not the hate towards Java, that makes 100% sense, but why the hell is the client in Java if loftar hates Java?

I've posted about it elsewhere, but the original reason was because of Java Web Start -- which, of course, I'm now regretting with Oracle's certificate faggotry. Since then, however, I have very much come to appreciate some of Java's platform-independent features -- in particular, the way it can load new code in a platform-independent manner. That would be fairly laborious to implement in a language such as C or C++. I guess it would work well in Lisp, but I'm not sure I consider SBCL's compiler good enough to write a game client with (though I'd be happy to be proven wrong).

Generally, my opinion of Java is that the VM is pretty nice (though it's not as if I couldn't find things to complain about if you wanted me to), but that the language sucks.

nobody should use php for applications, it's at best a template engine, and the things it is at worst shouldn't be said in public

See also: http://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fra ... ad-design/ or just google 'php sucks' and read some of the first hits.

The toolbox analogy was a pretty good description of PHP, yes. It's not so much that PHP is unusable or that it's impossible to do things with it, it's just that it's not good for anything.

[Potjeh]

Why not C#?

[loftar]

Why not C#?

Well, given that Java and C# are pretty much equivalent at their cores, I figure I might as well choose the language that:

• Has the better JIT,
• Has the more well-defined runtime,
• Has a Linux implementation that doesn't suck, and
• Has an ecosystem that isn't Windows-centric.

N'est ce pas?

In particular, I consider myself first and foremost to be using the Java VM before I'm using the Java language, and if I were to be using C#, I would likewise consider myself to be using the CLR rather than C# itself, and the JVM just seems to be so much better documented and defined than the CLR. I've still to find even a reasonable overview of the latter -- precisely like all other Microsoft tech that "isn't meant to be used directly", it seems to be quite obscure and hard to get at.

[Oddity]

The moment they open-source the server code, people will constantly be investigating it for potential exploits.

Searching for exploits is hardly a problem.

The problem is that the community would cease to exist, because instead of there being a single world we all play in, the community would be fractured into dozens of completely worthless servers with only 1 or 2 people online ever. (Protip: Haven & Hearth doesn't work without other players)

I was warned away from Python :p. And that PHP is what I should use server side.

Not for a game server, you dummy.

https://github.com/boshaw/sbcl-hnh-stuff

It's beautiful :')

[loftar]

I was warned away from Python :p. And that PHP is what I should use server side.

Not for a game server, you dummy.

Not for anything, really.

[Tonkyhonk]

I was warned away from Python :p. And that PHP is what I should use server side.

Not for a game server, you dummy.

Not for anything, really.

what about these forums

[windmaker]

or the wiki..

[YarPirate]

Well I am slowly working on the engine at the moment. Still researching the client-server relationship. So thanks for all the info.

C++ and GLFW/GLEW is what I have decided to use, probably OPENAL for audio and all that. About the PHP there was some other language I was supposed to use with it but that's lost in paperwork right now and I can't remember what it was. (organizing things only happens like once a month for me haha).

I'm trying to come up with ideas on how to make a large open world (perhaps even bigger) such as you have done. Im not sure if I should separate the map into pieces and run each piece or group of pieces on separate servers. There are other ways of doing it too. Still trying to decide the best way.

Have any of you guys used the new Unreal Dev Kit?