Red handed debuff lasts too long

[maze]

On a business perspective,

murdering players will have a large negative impact on overall profits, since you risk the lose of player chars so players are likly to quit after being murdered.

if murders can easily get away with murder (what a lot do) we'll have large scale massacres.

i'd advise jorb and loaftar to keep track of players murder by other players to see if they keep playing or not.

you might have to take the road of making it easier on farm vile players and LP in some cases (IE players does not own black skills player can get 75% LP back on death that can only be spent on green and no combat skills, player owns black skills player gets 0 LP back)

[Sevenless]

Just leave the permadeath as permadeath maze.

Beyond that: I really think haven needs more ingame monitoring/metrics for making decisions about mechanics. Jorb noted the server does not track how a player died in any way (at least at the account level... maybe there is a server wide... level of tracking?). That info would actually be really useful to balancing the difficulty of new PVE content, and for monitoring PVP deaths/activity.

[venatorvenator]

Jorb noted the server does not track how a player died in any way

I think it does, or did. I remember one time some player was complaining that he died out of nothing and wanted reparation, and the devs posted server info saying that he actually died by hf-less summoning and was just stupid.
Keeping track of data is a great idea. It would be most effective if it could be compared with previous worlds as well. Forum polls aren't a bad idea either.

[shubla]

Make debuff stackable, so it would add 1 hour more debuff for each crime done. This would make raiding with style throw everything on ground and steal everything else bit harder.

[overtyped]

stop making so many friends.

You'd like that wouldn't you!

[mdurben]

It's only an hour? The fact a subscription-based permadeath game so heavily encourages murdering people like crazy due to the fate system and lack of penalties blows my mind. rip h&h

[naosnule]

It's only an hour? The fact a subscription-based permadeath game so heavily encourages murdering people like crazy due to the fate system and lack of penalties blows my mind. rip h&h

Don't worry. Jorb and loftar will reassess the system if they notice that the system is causing too many people to leave, you may even say that it is in their best interest .

[shubla]

Maybe 1% of player base raid. If game will give too less advantage to defenders all 99% will leave

[jorb]

encourages murdering people like crazy due to the fate system

Umwat? Considering the quality of the rest of your post I should perhaps just let this slip, but I do have to wonder what you mean.

[mdurben]

encourages murdering people like crazy due to the fate system

Umwat? Considering the quality of the rest of your post I should perhaps just let this slip, but I do have to wonder what you mean.

Previously (on dragonball z) people would bot curiosities directly.
Now that the fate system seems to heavily favor actually playing the game to get good curiosities people will necessarily bot murder and rip the good curiosities off of the corpses.

This is based on the assumption that doing a variety of things (bots certainly don't) gets you more fate curiosities, which is necessarily true as there are multiple events for them.
A bot sawing boards, for example, would never obtain a wonderous woodshaving if it's not on that fate event.
Now that dedicating time personally towards getting good curiosities is no longer a viable method the natural conclusion is that to gain more of them you must hijack other people's time to take them.