Fix Dem Bows

[Robben_DuMarsch]

Bows are already stronk enough, if you can threaten to hit your target.
The fact that they can be used in conjunction with defensive maneuvers is silly.

Aiming a bow should drop all defensive maneuvers.
Let's keep range ranged, so we aren't all running point blank bow shots.

[abt79]

Wait, you actually think ranged combat is OP in PVP?


Hahahaha no

You can't hit a moving player for shit not matter your mm, and it's not like you wouldn't be able to sidestep or watch the enemy's moves or something while holding a bow irl

[dafels]

Wait, you actually think ranged combat is OP in PVP?


Hahahaha no

You can't hit a moving player for shit not matter your mm, and it's not like you wouldn't be able to sidestep or watch the enemy's moves or something while holding a bow irl

I always find it amusing when people talk about things that they don't know about. OP is right, bows are stupidly overpowered right now.

[abt79]

Wait, you actually think ranged combat is OP in PVP?


Hahahaha no

You can't hit a moving player for shit not matter your mm, and it's not like you wouldn't be able to sidestep or watch the enemy's moves or something while holding a bow irl

I always find it amusing when people talk about things that they don't know about. OP is right, bows are stupidly overpowered right now.

Oh really? I don't see any problem with being able to knock out a weaker-in-terms-of-health-than-boar player with a weapon that can one-shot kill a boar with high enough q and perc as "OP", not to mention any person with a brain will be squiggly squidding towards/away a player with a bow drawn.

What's the problem with being able to use ua blocks with a bow drawn? Have you ever drawn a bow? It's not like it stops you from moving an inch to the left or backwheeling to dodge an attack.

It's not like you can shield block with it, ua blocks are pretty trash anyways unless you have like 50 stacked up.

I always find it amusing when people talk about things that they don't know about

[dafels]

Wait, you actually think ranged combat is OP in PVP?


Hahahaha no

You can't hit a moving player for shit not matter your mm, and it's not like you wouldn't be able to sidestep or watch the enemy's moves or something while holding a bow irl

I always find it amusing when people talk about things that they don't know about. OP is right, bows are stupidly overpowered right now.

Oh really? I don't see any problem with being able to knock out a weaker-in-terms-of-health-than-boar player with a weapon that can one-shot kill a boar with high enough q and perc as "OP", not to mention any person with a brain will be squiggly squidding towards/away a player with a bow drawn.

What's the problem with being able to use ua blocks with a bow drawn? Have you ever drawn a bow? It's not like it stops you from moving an inch to the left or backwheeling to dodge an attack.

It's not like you can shield block with it, ua blocks are pretty trash anyways unless you have like 50 stacked up.

I always find it amusing when people talk about things that they don't know about

Please... quit trying... emberassing....
You haven't seen a archer in work in real PvP , with this I end my discussion with you.

[abt79]

I always find it amusing when people talk about things that they don't know about. OP is right, bows are stupidly overpowered right now.

Oh really? I don't see any problem with being able to knock out a weaker-in-terms-of-health-than-boar player with a weapon that can one-shot kill a boar with high enough q and perc as "OP", not to mention any person with a brain will be squiggly squidding towards/away a player with a bow drawn.

What's the problem with being able to use ua blocks with a bow drawn? Have you ever drawn a bow? It's not like it stops you from moving an inch to the left or backwheeling to dodge an attack.

It's not like you can shield block with it, ua blocks are pretty trash anyways unless you have like 50 stacked up.

I always find it amusing when people talk about things that they don't know about

Please... quit trying... emberassing....
You haven't seen a archer in work in real PvP , with this I end my discussion with you.

>literally no counter argument whatsoever

Good, I always love the "I'm wrong now shut up" defence, if only we could use that in ranged combat

[overtyped]

Good, I always love the "I'm wrong now shut up" defence, if only we could use that in ranged combat

I think he may be right. If you really can shoot point blank and use manuevers, you really cant be killed 1v1.
If you have ever pvp'd before you would know that its very hard to break someone who only defends.

[dafels]

It would be all fine, if you would not be able to 1shot basically everyone who has less than 600 HP, even if the one has good armour.

Spam 4 ua defences -> Wait for him to engage you -> He's beating your defence down -> 1Shoot kill him while he's doing that
haha nice first person shooter, makes basically ALL ua/mc characters useless.

[overtyped]

im not sure about that either. If bows ignore manuevers, and you can spam defensive manuevers with a bow, the guy attacking you can only await death helplessly no matter how many shots it takes.

[dafels]

That is the point, archers are basically untouchable by ua/mc characters right now. His aim will always be faster than you while trying to break his defences down and you're basically dead due the damage. Devs need to balance the damage made by arrows or make it that it nulls the archer's defences everytime he aims.