H-FAST?

[Jalpha]

The thing with autism is that it shouldn't really be such a huge problem, however the world is full of sociopaths who will take advantage of autists. I think sociopaths are largely undiagnosed because for some reason (their ability to manipulate others most likely) our society seems largely to overlook sociopathic traits whereas autists are looked down on, taken advantage of and when they turn bad as a result end up mislabelled (or develop more dangerous mental health issues).

But in Hafen I would say there's a fair balance between autists and sociopaths.

[Ysh]

The thing with autism is that it shouldn't really be such a huge problem, however the world is full of sociopaths who will take advantage of autists. I think sociopaths are largely undiagnosed because for some reason (their ability to manipulate others most likely) our society seems largely to overlook sociopathic traits whereas autists are looked down on, taken advantage of and when they turn bad as a result end up mislabelled (or develop more dangerous mental health issues).

But in Hafen I would say there's a fair balance between autists and sociopaths.

Interesting analytics. I think the sociopath will have less barriers to exploitation for profits. It is hard for people trying with criticism to others that are enjoying some more success than them. And, of course, money is the primary success measurement. Though, really, what would you do to them if diagnosed? Lock them up? I don't think being an ass can be illegal.

[Jalpha]

I don't think punishment is necessary. It just seems that autists are unfairly biased against in society and to a degree that bias resembles punishment.

Sociopaths on the other hand, good or actually even just mediocre ones, are largely capable of a high amount of success.

It just seems both unfair and also a destructive path for our species considering sociopaths are largely parasitic by nature and autists on the other hand have so much to offer if given an environment which allows the expression of their talents.

[jordancoles]

The thing with autism is that it shouldn't really be such a huge problem, however the world is full of sociopaths who will take advantage of autists. I think sociopaths are largely undiagnosed because for some reason (their ability to manipulate others most likely) our society seems largely to overlook sociopathic traits whereas autists are looked down on, taken advantage of and when they turn bad as a result end up mislabelled (or develop more dangerous mental health issues).

But in Hafen I would say there's a fair balance between autists and sociopaths.

The main thing about sociopaths is that they lack a conscience

They can become very good at faking emotions and fitting in with society, to the point where you can't really tell that they are faking it (good businessmen, heh) but I don't think that they are largely undiagnosed or that they all have some ulterior motives at all times. Also, sociopaths taking advantage of people with ASD doesn't really have anything to do with anything really? Autistic people can be taken advantage of by anyone willing to try, it's not like sociopaths are targeting the autistic community for personal gain lol, and it's not likely that sociopaths are actively trying to avoid a diagnosis. I would argue that most of them would actually like to know what is wrong with them or why they don't respond the same way that other people do.

Autism is still surrounded by stigma, sure, but it doesn't morph into some serial killer shit or something lol
They are more likely to have depression and anxiety, but that's comorbidity and those mental health issues are more likely to pop up in anyone who is a minority or different from the typical population

[Jalpha]

If you apply the same criteria for diagnosis and consider sociopath as a spectrum disorder just like autism then what I'm saying probably makes more sense.

That's probably not how psychology does things but to be blunt psychology is a pseudo science, it doesn't adhere to the scientific method (which is absurd) and the true answers to defining our consciousness toward the future lie within neuroscience. Psychology has it's place, it's important, but I think we need to grow out of it.

Edit: Also I would say that literally everyone (just about) is attempting to avoid diagnosis. We are all as nuts as each other.

[jordancoles]

I would encourage you to look up the method behind Applied Behaviour Analysis, which is the most proven method for teaching skills to autistic children (it can be used to teach anyone and has been used in the school system for years and years)

Data is recorded and graphed at the baseline, a target behaviour or behaviours are identified that the worker plans to work on, a treatment plan is made up based on previous and proven methods (which have been proven to work based on data collection) and then the treatment is implemented and recorded

Data is recorded with each session and it is then graphed and reviewed to see if the treatment is working. If it is not working, the treatment is altered and monitored again.

Medication will not fix everything, and skills need to be taught.
Sedation and chemical balancing in the brain doesn't teach a person new behaviours, or how to replace their behaviours with better ones

[jordancoles]

ITT Coles is smart af

[Jalpha]

But not smart enough to acknowledge that neuroscience involves a lot more than medication?

Some psychology uses scientific method sure (and the field is improving), but if you are making a claim that psychology doesn't rely on several archaic principles which do not adhere to scientific method then I dispute that. If you are also claiming that a large proportion of accepted and approved psychological studies do not fail the replication test then I also dispute that.

[jordancoles]

Every treatment plan is custom made for the specific individual because you're right, the same methods do not have the same affects on every person

I'm not going to pretend that I've studied neuroscience and its methods lol, I just know ABA

[Jalpha]

Ya it's just that from my probably limited understanding a lot of those treatment practices you mentioned also have a large part of their foundation thanks to neuroscience.

The two industries should work more closely together but there's a lot of resistance to change within psychology. Mapping the pathways of the brain, discovering how they are formed and how they can be changed with and without medication is part of neuroscience but it's a pretty broad field. I just like it because one day it will let us put computers in our brains.

Because that's a really good idea.