Stranger Danger!

[Grog]

Couple of guys killed me and raided my little camp at -38,-82. Too bad. I started playing this game like a week ago and was starting to get the hang of it. I was about to set up my palisade and metal industry. All by myself.
So if you wanna have a go at it and track/summon a nidbane for those baddies, be my guest.

How did they manage to get into you camp?

[Teleskop]

Couple of guys killed me and raided my little camp at -38,-82. Too bad. I started playing this game like a week ago and was starting to get the hang of it. I was about to set up my palisade and metal industry. All by myself.
So if you wanna have a go at it and track/summon a nidbane for those baddies, be my guest.

How did they manage to get into you camp?

he didnt had pallisade so i guess thats how

[Eraldo03]

Couple of guys killed me and raided my little camp at -38,-82. Too bad. I started playing this game like a week ago and was starting to get the hang of it. I was about to set up my palisade and metal industry. All by myself.
So if you wanna have a go at it and track/summon a nidbane for those baddies, be my guest.

How did they manage to get into you camp?

Well. That was my first settlement ever, so my only protection was a roundpole fence and a locked gate.
I was nursing HHP 60 damage because of cave-ins, so I was standing still on the swamp that I called home with leeches on my body to heal the wounds when they came and rekted me with a single slash, because I had like 13 SHP on me.
Then I watched as the guy who killed me, lifted my body, traveled to his hearthfire and dumped me on a pile of corpses.

[VeryBear]

First of all, ladies and gentlemen, please let me entertain you by reminding one episode from the immortal classic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZbG7iwRh34#t=3m30s
So, you see, I was wondering if there will be a hypothetical Monthy Python's Lancelot for some stucked newb.

The current situation is: I'm standing on my hearthfire, on the second floor of the house, unable to move a single tile away, because the floor is claimed by someone who revoked permission to move through his claims. Why not trespass it? Because the house is located within' a fresh-built palisade, and keys for the gate were changed, so my character is trapped anyways. Oh, and did I mention that there were three of us, one developed strong character and two newbs, but now only two remain, and guess who is dead, who is guilty and who is sending the message. The scent of murder is still fresh.

Unfortunately, I don't know all the story because I was offline when the event happened, I only know that there were we, two friends, and some friendly stranger who helped us for several days, slightly less than a week probably, and his help seem great, with great advices, relaxed chat and valuable items (in eyes of us, starting players, at least), and we decided to team up, and migrated to the new isolated place, constructed new base... The latter was mainly when I was offline; yesterday I returned to already established place and played for several hours before the sleep. Next morning I knew that my friend's character is dead with the specified reason I can not understand yet and my character is effectively trapped on his fresh spawn point. As for me and friendly stranger, we did not say a word to each other from the time of my migration to the fresh camp. And I would like to not try to discuss things while standing in such, somewhat... vulnerable position.

Before actually call for an action and to name coordinates, I would like to ask: does taking a prisoner such way not contradicts with the rules about game mechanics abusing? And what are my options if not count to someone's help?

Friendly stranger, if you're reading this, I would like to hear your story, if it's more complicated or interesting than "get rekt n00bs I pwnd u"... from the safe distance, now. You see, I did not forget as you were great help and seem to put a good effort in our project. But now... the dead body? Seems like you had a very good time with us.

I apologize for the inevitable abusing of the rules of English grammar.

[pinheadslim]

Dont worry Bronik, it was not directed at you. I'll change permissions for you to move freely.

I wanted to help you guys, but Art was insistent on being rude. He was being very rude and implied he did all of the work. He was eating all of the food I made, food he can't even make, just to tear down his house because he didn't like the color.

He was using my metal pickaxe, wearing a metal saw and axe I made for him, in clothes I made for him, he was destroying a perfectly good house and wasting food I made doing it, and he had the nerve to say I was rude for pointing out he was wasting food.

Calling me rude after he filled his face with sausages, pies, and other goodies I made was over the line. I said to reconsider, or I would show him rude. He refused, and I killed him. Then he came back and demanded I take everything that was mine and leave the village I had built. So I killed his alt again. He called me a 13 year old no gf forever alone loser, and I just kept asking him if he would like to reconsider his actions.

I am not a griefer, I do not kill noobs for no reason. I helped you guys a lot, and I'm sorry it has come to this but I do not want to live with you guys any more.

Here's nice quote from the chat.

[20:12] ***: You know you just scammed me and stole *MY* village, *MY* furs and leather and *MY* metal.
[20:12] Haha no
[20:12] I made you all the metal tools and all the tin bars :3
[20:12] ***: Metal tools? An axe?

You know I made all of the metal tools in the village, yet here he implies all I ever gave him was an axe. I forged all of the tin before you guys even met me, and I helped him move that huge pile of furs from the dead village he found it at. And he didn't even start processing it, I built drying racks and tanning tubs and got it all going while he was scavenging straw from dead settlements for his favorite roof color.

Also, I built the palisade and gathered the stone/metal for the buildings and pavement, so what part of the village does Art want me to give back? I'd give him everything he produced himself, but the problem is he doesn't produce anything.

[VeryBear]

Well, as it turned out, I was not brutally murdered when I was logged in, and was allowed to take some (good, as I think, although Art is not agree with me) stuff as a compensation. I heard both stories, and I feel that I do agree more with my buddy than with Pinheadslim, but I glad that the case, which was imagined as most probable at this morning (that we just stumbled upon the person not worthy our trust), seems to be not right. No involvement required, we part without intention to cast boiling lava on each other. Pinheadslim, I would like to apologize I have bringed our case to the moot, as it seemed only way to resolve situation without the risk of being killed.

[artarctic]

Art was insistent on being rude. He was being very rude

Unfortunately, my client only saved what I was typing, for some reason, not the full log. However, here is everything I told throughout the session.
Would I be insistent on something, it would be insisting on third person party showing me where I was "very rude" to betray me and commit a crime.

[2016-07-23 07:12:27] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Moin
[2016-07-23 07:12:38] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Well, he was impressed with the progress
[2016-07-23 07:12:55] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Did a few things but he told he's damn tired so he went to sleep very fast
[2016-07-23 07:13:00] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: May you help me here?
[2016-07-23 07:13:26] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Any significant progress on destroying the house?
[2016-07-23 07:13:45] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: I have low STR so it takes ages. May you chesk, baybe it takes just couple minutes for you
[2016-07-23 07:14:43] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Okay, I guess not really
[2016-07-23 07:15:20] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Then, just give me the talisman I will continue
[2016-07-23 07:15:39] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: You don't do it much faster
[2016-07-23 07:15:54] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Probably too high sink on the house
[2016-07-23 07:16:15] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Erm? Not the house.
[2016-07-23 07:16:36] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Well, okay, sure
[2016-07-23 07:16:52] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Yeah. I will not eat it. Probaby I cannot even do it.
[2016-07-23 07:17:00] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: But, I understand
[2016-07-23 07:19:13] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Doesn't make very much sense with this well, but I am afraid a tiny house will block the gate if ever built. Also, we mostly depart direction East, and I also haven't thought of reserving some space for boats and horses and whatever. So...
[2016-07-23 07:19:42] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Oh. And, FYI, the default rotation of a wrecking ball (direction from character) is wrong.
[2016-07-23 07:19:51] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: (same as with a chair)
[2016-07-23 07:20:13] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: So how it was standing before was useless because you couldn't destroy anything
[2016-07-23 07:20:17] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things::
[2016-07-23 07:20:33] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Good thing I had a chance to test it before the actual siege, heh
[2016-07-23 07:20:46] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: *an, not the
[2016-07-23 07:21:35] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Just go do something more useful :]
[2016-07-23 07:21:41] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: It will take ages to destroy
[2016-07-23 07:22:31] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: No?
[2016-07-23 07:22:45] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: I still decided to use the straw for the house
[2016-07-23 07:23:02] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: >.<
[2016-07-23 07:23:09] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: I can bring some more later
[2016-07-23 07:23:14] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Oh well.
[2016-07-23 07:23:31] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: May I have the pickaxe?
[2016-07-23 07:25:54] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Also would need to remove the cliffs: on the East between the forest and the beach and on the West between the palisade and the outer world
[2016-07-23 07:26:35] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Huh?
[2016-07-23 07:26:48] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Yes.
[2016-07-23 07:26:56] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Not exactly remove, make a passage
[2016-07-23 07:27:02] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: I meant
[2016-07-23 07:27:42] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: No?
[2016-07-23 07:27:48] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: It will take an hour or two
[2016-07-23 07:28:02] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Probably less time than destroying the house
[2016-07-23 07:28:07] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Yes, the entire cliff
[2016-07-23 07:28:17] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Nope.
[2016-07-23 07:28:43] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: You bet what I can't do it?
[2016-07-23 07:30:20] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: I just asjed you, what are you ready to bet I can remove the cliff.
[2016-07-23 07:30:52] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: It's you who avoiding my question.
[2016-07-23 07:31:02] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: And feeding is my own problem.
[2016-07-23 07:31:12] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: I brought much extra flour btw
[2016-07-23 07:31:44] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: ....
[2016-07-23 07:32:05] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Like, the full oven of bread you see there? Yes, it takes 5 branches and a little time.
[2016-07-23 07:32:20] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: ....
[2016-07-23 07:32:33] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: You know.
[2016-07-23 07:32:52] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Tell it to the piles of furs and stock of ore we have here.
[2016-07-23 07:33:40] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Yeah. I found q30-60 furs. You turn them into q20 leather lol
[2016-07-23 07:34:20] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Excuse me, that is already crossing the line
[2016-07-23 07:34:58] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Y'know I thought you were joking.
[2016-07-23 07:35:21] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: If you're serious, well, I don't know what to say.
[2016-07-23 07:35:44] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: `?...
[2016-07-23 07:35:49] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Explain yourself.
[2016-07-23 07:36:35] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: I did not order you to do anything.
[2016-07-23 07:37:40] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: `I am not quite sure how serious you are right now
[2016-07-23 07:37:52] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: >.<
[2016-07-23 07:37:59] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: I cannot understand why then.
[2016-07-23 07:39:10] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: I was taking the stuff about removing the hill and food and few things afterwards as a joke and thought you understand it.
[2016-07-23 07:39:25] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Unless you called me an idiot.
[2016-07-23 07:39:38] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: Which is rather rude btw.
(at this point he told something like "And now I will show you what is rude" and started to shoot my character)
[2016-07-23 07:39:59] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: *shrugs*
[2016-07-23 07:40:04] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: If that what you want to do.
[2016-07-23 07:40:28] ArtNot-So-Obvious Things:: You;'re acting like a kid.
(at this point my character was murdered)

Here is some information / my whining if cares wants to read.

For the information: I had a free week which I spent mostly on playing, actively gathering resources and moving the camp. This would include: quite an amount of leather, from which the aggressor crafted himself new shiny armor (while I did not have any armor myself and had to save what remained for really required equips for us like leather backpacks); two and a half piles of "heavy earth"; some other metals I found in abandoned settlements; some rares like brimstone; tons and tons of high quality furs; all the flour, eggs, honey and vegs, from which he was making the pies; put most of the efforts into plowing the camp and building the structures and providing resources for those; made an excessive scouting of the area around. While pinheadslim was too busy committing some other crimes (at least twice I think during this week, at least twice pinheadslim could not log off his character while he was sleeping / offline). Now I am not quite sure how much resources was that I collected; at least for me as for a beginner it felt really, really lot. Now the aggressor destroyed my character without a real reason and stole all the resources I put so much efforts into. Warmest welcome ever.

And I am not his first victim. During the week at least twice pinheadslim was not able to log off his character while he was sleeping/offline.

tldr:
Some can only find self-esteem in online games displaying their virtual might and abusing other people, while picking opponents who cannot even fight back. I was thinking pinheadslim isn't one of them. But he has proved I he is.

[pinheadslim]

Wow, I didn't think you would be so upset that you would edit chat logs. Nice how you removed every instance of you insulting me.

I was very civil the whole time, and was civil with VeryBear. If I was just some griefer I wouldn't have given him many supplies, including the murder scent and a sword in case you still want to come after me.

And no, you did not provide the honey or poppy seeds or even the flour for the many rings of brodgar you ate. I've been making honey buns for you guys since I first met you, because I've had beehives since we first met.

VeryBear understands how much I helped you, he knows it doesn't make sense for me to help you guys so much to just to smack around one of you then let another guy walk off with a good amount of supplies (Metal plow, metal cauldron, anvil, two chests full of metal/food/leather/equipment, boat, cart)

If I was just some selfish jerk out for himself I would have killed him too, just accept that you were killed for being rude to someone who wouldn't take it and that maybe next time someone helps you out a lot, you are a little nicer to them.

[artarctic]

Wow, I didn't think you would be so upset that you would edit chat logs.

I have nothing to hide and nothing to delete. And I understand that a lie is the only way for you to protect yourself. And if you really have something else in your head - go check your own chat logs to freshen your memory on who exacly was rude.
For me - you killed me without a single reason for it. Betrayed me. Stole all I collected and all I built.
In my eyes you have lost the right to be called a human.

For anyone not concerned, I apologize for the mess we made here. I will not feed the troll further.

[cyrus9586]

Art was insistent on being rude. He was being very rude

Unfortunately, my client only saved what I was typing, for some reason, not the full log. However, here is everything I told throughout the session.

What client? Cause I don't know of a single client that can save logs that will not save the entire log on both sides.