Massive Progression Overhaul - Destroy Bots

[Robben_DuMarsch]

The vast majority doesn't give a single damn about botting They have quit due to other reasons.

Want to get the game to change? Easy get back into it and play again, start from scratch, plenty of open space and resources laying about.

It's not about what other players think, and it's not about what one person should do to have fun.

Bots and alts affect the entire playerbase globally. They speed up world progression and therefore make stuff obsolete faster. They encourage people to live alone instead of interacting with others. They encourage alt vaulting, effortless griefing and random murder. They make everything boring faster. One player can choose to do just his own thing, but they're unavoidably affected by other people's use of bots.

Meanwhile I know hermits that got same quality anvils, animals, crops, stats and etc. as we do. Good try.

I know someone in North Korea that is rich (Kim Jong Un). Using your logic, the policy of North Korea is no impediment to gaining great wealth.

Let's drop this little facade that botting is fair, equitable, and healthy for the game. At this point it's fair to point out to everyone that LadyGoo is the leader of the clan with, likely, the most extensive and pervasive bot operations in the game.

So much so they were punished for it.

[LadyGoo]

Bots and alts affect the entire playerbase globally. They speed up world progression and therefore make stuff obsolete faster. They encourage people to live alone instead of interacting with others. They encourage alt vaulting, effortless griefing and random murder. They make everything boring faster. One player can choose to do just his own thing, but they're unavoidably affected by other people's use of bots.

Playing in a group affects the entire playerbase globally. They speed up world progression and therefore make stuff obsolete faster. They discourage people from live alone instead interacting with others. They encourage alt vaulting, effortless griefing and random murder. They make everything boring faster. One player can choose to do just his own thing, but they're unavoidably affected by other people's use of groups.

Made me laugh.

[dafels]

Bots and alts affect the entire playerbase globally. They speed up world progression and therefore make stuff obsolete faster. They encourage people to live alone instead of interacting with others. They encourage alt vaulting, effortless griefing and random murder. They make everything boring faster. One player can choose to do just his own thing, but they're unavoidably affected by other people's use of bots.

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[ven]

Meanwhile I know hermits that got same quality anvils, animals, crops, stats and etc. as we do. Good try.
Botting had nothing to do with W8 dying so fast either. On the other hand, the content the devs are providing has increased the online significantly. Using your logic, that shouldn't happen with bots being available in public clients.

And did they use only one char to get those quality anvils and stuff? Or did they buy them from a trader that bots? This is what I mean.

My logic is that alts and bots lead to a variety of issues, and that many recurring complaints can be traced back to the their consequences. My problem is not with bots specifically, but with alts. Botting can never be completely eliminated. Simple QoL scripts are fine, it's complex industry bots that unbalance the game. It's alts that ruin the game.

Ysh, you're smart enough to know there's a difference in order of magnitude between our examples.

[Ysh]

Let's drop this little facade

It is facade because someone thinks some thoughts different than you? Anybody who can claim to disagree with a position of you is just pretending? This does not sounding right.

botting is [not] fair, equitable

It is not fair? People who use bot have some divine mandate for it?

[botting is not] healthy for the game

Debated. ''Healthy'' is very nebula concepts. What is healthy to one man is unhealth to the other.

At this point it's fair to point out to everyone that LadyGoo is the leader of the clan with, likely, the most extensive and pervasive bot operations in the game.

And I think it is fair to point that you are, likely, part of group who does not use bot. People do argue for their own sides of issue. This is news?

[Ysh]

Ysh, you're smart enough to know there's a difference in order of magnitude between our examples.

All you do with you example is establish that bot is very effective strategy. Bot is better strategy than use group. Use group is better strategy than play solo. Why is using one better strategy worse than others? Why is bot inherently bad? You do not try to establish answer to this question. I use your word in absurd fashion to show that your ''argument'' for bad bots is just as good at ''arguing'' against using any superior strategy.

[Robben_DuMarsch]

Let's drop this little facade

It is facade because someone thinks some thoughts different than you? Anybody who can claim to disagree with a position of you is just pretending? This does not sounding right.

It's a facade because LadyGoo is being disingenuous. To put it bluntly, LadyGoo knows full well how advantageous it is to bot.

botting is [not] fair, equitable

It is not fair? People who use bot have some divine mandate for it?

Fairness need not be a divine mandate from God.
I do not care to debate semantics with you.
I mean fairness in the sense that not by playing the game, but rather by programming bots, a group of botters has an insurmountable advantage in stats, wealth, and other resources, with little to no effort.

[botting is not] healthy for the game

Debated. ''Healthy'' is very nebula concepts. What is healthy to one man is unhealth to the other.

See above, I do not care to debate semantics with you.
I mean healthy in the sense that the game will keep and retain an active playerbase.

At this point it's fair to point out to everyone that LadyGoo is the leader of the clan with, likely, the most extensive and pervasive bot operations in the game.

And I think it is fair to point that you are, likely, part of group who does not use bot. People do argue for their own sides of issue. This is news?

It is not news. It is indicative of bias. Said bias is why I proclaimed LadyGoo's responses to be farcical.

Ysh, you're smart enough to know there's a difference in order of magnitude between our examples.

All you do with you example is establish that bot is very effective strategy. Bot is better strategy than use group. Use group is better strategy than play solo. Why is using one better strategy worse than others? Why is bot inherently bad? You do not try to establish answer to this question. I use your word in absurd fashion to show that your ''argument'' for bad bots is just as good at ''arguing'' against using any superior strategy.

[ven]

Ysh;

Alting is an effective strategy,
playing in a group is an effective strategy.
Therefore, alting is the same as playing in a group.

This is what you say, and it's wrong because it ignores that:

alting is exponentially more damaging than playing with a group; and group playing has an expected upper limit, while alting hasn't.

and that:

it's a syllogistic fallacy

[Ysh]

Let's drop this little facade

It is facade because someone thinks some thoughts different than you? Anybody who can claim to disagree with a position of you is just pretending? This does not sounding right.

It's a facade because LadyGoo is being disingenuous. To put it bluntly, LadyGoo knows full well how advantageous it is to bot.

I do agree LadyGoo try to downplay usefulness of bot.

botting is [not] fair, equitable

It is not fair? People who use bot have some divine mandate for it?

Fairness need not be a divine mandate from God.
I do not care to debate semantics with you.
I mean fairness in the sense that not by playing the game, but rather by programming bots, a group of botters has an insurmountable advantage in stats, wealth, and other resources, with little to no effort.

Argument by semantics is useless. But semantics is useful for argument. I must know what you are say exactly to discuss them with you. I argue that:

• Programming bot is playing game, as bot is legal as per rule of game
• Botting advantage is not insurmountable, but yes it is clear advantage
• Creating extensive bot network as you/we assume LadyGoo has is definite not ''little to no effort,'' this is very nontrivial task

[botting is not] healthy for the game

Debated. ''Healthy'' is very nebula concepts. What is healthy to one man is unhealth to the other.

See above, I do not care to debate semantics with you.
I mean healthy in the sense that the game will keep and retain an active playerbase.

As much as seems you I, at time, disagree with LadyGoo philosophy, she does act in way to help some playerbase. Whether this is from goodness of the heart or just as ''moral capital'' for cover up crimes, I can no say, but still she does some efforts in thing like market and so on. Maybe this market is not possible to build without bot because of too many labors require? It is I think very difficult to prove definitive that bot is always bad for playerbase.

At this point it's fair to point out to everyone that LadyGoo is the leader of the clan with, likely, the most extensive and pervasive bot operations in the game.

And I think it is fair to point that you are, likely, part of group who does not use bot. People do argue for their own sides of issue. This is news?

It is not news. It is indicative of bias.

She has bias, yes. You too have bias. I have bias. All men has bias. This is not good enough to discredit his word.

[Ysh]

alting is exponentially more damaging than playing with a group

Yes, I am aware you believe this. What I wanted to know and am still want to know is why. Why is use alt and bot in separate class from any other strategy in game? What is makes it difference than play in group or use spreadsheet as example?