Sub tokens in Trade

[Divicid]

Ohh it's not that bad, like in real life i have a Polish lady who cleans for cash, and in Haven & Hearth i have subtokens to pay poor Russians and Ukrainian people to go mine for me, win win situation.

I don't agree. For example, if RMT was such a normal thing in legacy worlds then why was it not allowed to be posted on the forum? And if it was apparently so prevalent back then when it was frowned upon and forbidden over the forum then one could make the logical leap that there is much more RMT going on now with the addition of tokens and the allowance of RMT trades to be advertised via the forum.

Why would you want to implement a disorganized system you can not profit from? The subtoken system is organized and the Devs can earn money from it. Which i do not mind at all.

[Kaios]

Why would you want to implement a disorganized system you can not profit from? The subtoken system is organized and the Devs can earn money from it. Which i do not mind at all.

Idk what you're talking about, I have not proposed the implementation of any system. Only the removal of one.

[Divicid]

Why would you want to implement a disorganized system you can not profit from? The subtoken system is organized and the Devs can earn money from it. Which i do not mind at all.

Idk what you're talking about, I have not proposed the implementation of any system. Only the removal of one.

You clearly need to re-read your own posts.

[Kaios]

one could make the logical leap that there is much more RMT going on now with the addition of tokens and the allowance of RMT trades to be advertised via the forum.

If you're referring to this I'm saying it's what we have now dumbass, not proposing that RMT should be allowed to be advertised on the forum. Sub tokens are RMT.

[xdragonlord18]

I don't agree. For example, if RMT was such a normal thing in legacy worlds then why was it not allowed to be posted on the forum?

maybe cuz the devs werent getting a cut maybe cuz it was unregulated so if they endorsed it by allowing it on the forums then theyd be at blame for anyone who gets scammed do u even think about what u type on the internet

[Kaios]

maybe cuz the devs werent getting a cut maybe cuz it was unregulated so if they endorsed it by allowing it on the forums then theyd be at blame for anyone who gets scammed do you even think about what u type on the internet

plz bro if you're gonna talk to me use a real account, and that is exactly why at the time a thread like this existed and they told players specifically that if they get burned doing a real money trade that's too bad for them. They had no concern at all about being at fault lol they just knew that RMT is fucking trash for the game. But now they get money out of it so they don't care.

[jordancoles]

+1 wanted to bring this up when I first saw this thread. It's not something devs can do really anything about without removing tokens (probably) but it for sure ruins a lot of the spirit of trade

Isn't the whole idea of the token to be traded? We can discuss if it's good or bad, but not that the guy in question is using the subtoken "wrong".

You're not wrong, but I think the spirit with which it was intended was to buy a sub for someone you were showing the game to, or just a friend in game. Putting them into the economy of the game in trade villages like this guy is setting up? That's just a terrible idea for a myriad of reasons. First and foremost being there will effectively an ingame-item cash shop. And when the trend catches on it just gets worse. Aren't people already complaining about it being too P2W?

Do you all realize that traders dealing in tokens are generating money for the game?

The OP's price is retarded but selling sub tokens is not.
Go cut some grass or shovel some snow for the old people on your street and support the game, and if you can't do that, find a different trader

[Burinn]

I really can't think of any problem with sub token trading other than just being assmad that someone is willing to pay money to get ahead. Which to be honest, is less of an advantage than using the token yourself. Oh no someone paid 20 dollars for a charterstone. The sky is falling.

[wolf1000wolf]

Firmly on the side of keeping sub tokens.

Sure there may be elements of p2w but its just like the PLEX system in EVE.

I'd rather have the devs make money and continue to run the game over being perfectly righteous about this issue and having RMT go underground anyways.

[xdragonlord18]

plz bro if you're gonna talk to me use a real account, and that is exactly why at the time a thread like this existed and they told players specifically that if they get burned doing a real money trade that's too bad for them. They had no concern at all about being at fault lol they just knew that RMT is fucking trash for the game. But now they get money out of it so they don't care.

what exactly makes this account fake how do u even make a fake account did i somehow make one and then u saw it when u had mod powers or something because i dont see anything that would indicate that i am on a fake account it looks as real as urs is just cuz they warned against it doesnt mean that they didnt have any concerns if anything it means they did have concerns y else would they bother warning players about it one of the best solutions for getting rid of high risk rmt is to make official ways to convert money to in game goods this is what they did and i dont see any off the books rmt anywhere cuz they can just use tokens how about you get that cock out of ur ass and stop embarrassing urself