ya that's why 4 rock crystals were going for two sub tokens and might even be at that value again, shut up idiot you don't know anythingxdragonlord18 wrote: i dont have to make u upset you do it urself just fine u dance to everyone elses tune cuz u have no self control but that is actually besides the point people already base their items values on how hard they are to get removing sub tokens serves no point other than to make jorb and loftar less money
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xdragonlord18
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no they are worth the time and difficulty it takes to get 20 dollars its pretty ironic that ur incompetencies are what stop u from seeing the irony in the last part of your reply which also in no way indicate that ur upset keep it up dude ur doing a great job of being the forum bitchKaios wrote: ya that's why 4 rock crystals were going for two sub tokens and might even be at that value again, shut up idiot you don't know anything
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Burinn
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Nothing like some good old flaming, accusations of using alt accounts, and accusations of being a troll. If you saw the posts without their author you'd have no problem figuring out who made the thread.
Please if you're going to suggest the gutting of a pretty large revenue stream, relatively speaking, with absolutely nothing to replace it, consider being a bit more courteous to other posters.
Please if you're going to suggest the gutting of a pretty large revenue stream, relatively speaking, with absolutely nothing to replace it, consider being a bit more courteous to other posters.
sabinati wrote:do you expect me to just check the forum constantly, fuck off
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Kaios
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Yeah, it's very bitchy of me to want to improve the game. You're doing a great job of providing no value to this topic yourself and I don't see why you bothered posting at all in it other than to troll. This will be the last response you'll receive from me though, I gave you a chance to provide a real argument and you still haven't done so you can only bring up stuff that has nothing to do with the thread. You aren't worthy of any more of my time.xdragonlord18 wrote: no they are worth the time and difficulty it takes to get 20 dollars its pretty ironic that ur incompetencies are what stop u from seeing the irony in the last part of your reply which also in no way indicate that ur upset keep it up dude ur doing a great job of being the forum bitch
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Burinn
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Kaios wrote:This will be the last response you'll receive from me though, I gave you a chance to provide a real argument and you still haven't done so you can only bring up stuff that has nothing to do with the thread.
Burinn wrote:Why would forcing everyone to trade in dollars be a better idea than using sub-tokens which help out Jorb and Loftar.
It's right there. You're flaming anyone who has a difference of opinion. If anyone who disagrees with you is a troll, how do you expect to possibly have a discussion about it?
Read my signature.Kaios wrote:You aren't worthy of any more of my time.
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xdragonlord18
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ur doing a great job of providing no value to this forum urself and i dont see y u bothered waking up at all other than to troll this will be the last response ull receive from me though i gave u a chance to provide a real argument and u still havent done so u can only bring up stuff that has nothing to do with the thread u arent worthy of any more of my timeKaios wrote:Yeah, it's very bitchy of me to want to improve the game. You're doing a great job of providing no value to this topic yourself and I don't see why you bothered posting at all in it other than to troll. This will be the last response you'll receive from me though, I gave you a chance to provide a real argument and you still haven't done so you can only bring up stuff that has nothing to do with the thread. You aren't worthy of any more of my time.
Ysh wrote:You all forget that bucket is include. I think with bucket it is fair price.
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jordancoles
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Kaizo literally spent hundreds of dollars in Legacy Haven (at least $300+).Kaios wrote:Provide proof that RMT was as big of a deal as you're making it out to be otherwise you're just talking out of your ass.
Most people involved in the faction wars knew about it. He bought Ramones' character nearly every world along with a few other battle alts and at one point I believe he also spent like $180 for pearls at about $1 per pearl.
A few russians last world were attempting to sell items/stats for cash and in legacy the Russian forums had accounts for sale in their trade section from time to time
Troll skulls were regularly sold for cash over skype/ventrilo/teamspeak and so were golden eggs
Obviously none of that was on the forums.
I even bought a battle alt character with a decent einhar from a friend in w7 because I didn't feel like grinding, killing myself, then rounding stats again to have another YOLO alt to dick around with
RMT happens, and though the old traders (myself included) no longer do it, it's stupid to assume that it isn't happening. Sub tokens are the best possible alternative to people just e-transfering cash to each other with no dev payment at all
Check out my pro-tips threadDuhhrail wrote:No matter how fast you think you can beat your meat, Jordancoles lies in the shadows and waits to attack his defenseless prey. (tl;dr) Don't afk and jack off.

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MadNomad
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would you buy 10 flots for subtoken?Colin500 wrote:By his logic 1$ is worth 10 points which equals to 1 flotsam or 1 bluebell in his trade..

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Kaios
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Bump, Jordan's lame rant about how dumb asses gave each a other bunch money to buy characters and troll skulls didn't really convince me that it's any better in the form of token trade. Anyone who played during that time knows that ramones was a huge RMT trader but was one of the biggest from what I recall so that's a rather extreme example and not a very fitting one.
I think it's great that the devs get money out of your laziness but I also think there could be and should be better options than stupid fucking token trade implemented in to the game.
I think it's great that the devs get money out of your laziness but I also think there could be and should be better options than stupid fucking token trade implemented in to the game.
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LadyGoo
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Makes me smile when you think that ranting about tokens without providing reasonable alternative and taking into account the dev's profits sounds like a proper crit.
For this game to get developed they have to pay for the server, take into account their own profits + all the income they get is going to be taxed + insane % charge from each transaction done by PayPal or other systems. Guess how much would they get from 10 dollar-worth token. Meanwhile, programmers of their qualification earn around 3000 dollars (stable salary, while hafen is barely stable with population drops).
Hats didn't show as a viable option, they provided hardly any income. Monstrous pay-to-play just driven people away from the game. If they'll make subscriptions more needed for the gameplay, I doubt many people will like it and will flood the forum with another wave of whining.
For the time that the tokens existed I haven't heard of anyone trading for rmt, except for Zox in W8. If there won't be such currency like tokens, pple will just switch into trading actual money.
So tell me now, what's the alternatives or business models you, whiney boys, could suggest?
For this game to get developed they have to pay for the server, take into account their own profits + all the income they get is going to be taxed + insane % charge from each transaction done by PayPal or other systems. Guess how much would they get from 10 dollar-worth token. Meanwhile, programmers of their qualification earn around 3000 dollars (stable salary, while hafen is barely stable with population drops).
Hats didn't show as a viable option, they provided hardly any income. Monstrous pay-to-play just driven people away from the game. If they'll make subscriptions more needed for the gameplay, I doubt many people will like it and will flood the forum with another wave of whining.
For the time that the tokens existed I haven't heard of anyone trading for rmt, except for Zox in W8. If there won't be such currency like tokens, pple will just switch into trading actual money.
So tell me now, what's the alternatives or business models you, whiney boys, could suggest?
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