Getting better stats when you use them

[avros008]

It will be better if our stats will better when we using them.

For example when we shoot animals, our marksmanship stat can be increase.

[Ysh]

It will be better if our stats will better when we using them.

For example when we shoot animals, our marksmanship stat can be increase.

Bot.

[jorb]

Incentivizes performing the action for the purpose of levling, rather than for actual use. Ugly, and bot-friendly.

[shubla]

bot-friendly.

Current system is not particularly bad for botting either.

[Ysh]

bot-friendly.

Current system is not particularly bad for botting either.

Time gate hurts bot, even if bot can still be use.

[beardhat]

In one system, a player has to wait, and a bot has to wait, that is our current system.

In your proposed system, a bot can simply run forever and gain as much LP or attributes as you leave it running, while a human has to eat, drink, piss, work, sleep, and various other things that hinders them from competing with a bot.

The current system is bot friendly in that you automatically put curios in your study, or various other tasks which as of the latest updates you can do without a bot and still automate it somewhat (Thanks for auto drinking jorb), but player progression between a bot and a human is pretty much on par thanks to the curio/hunger system, and unless they can completely create a dynamic player progression system which isn't awful, thats the best we're gonna get.

[Granger]

Incentivizes performing the action for the purpose of levling, rather than for actual use. Ugly, and bot-friendly.

You actually did that with hunting and combat abilities, forcing us to kill stuff so we get the moves needed to kill what we actually want to kill.

And currently we have something that incentivizes performing an action for the purpose of levling something completely unrelated: I find it a bit strange that you can digest through cupboards full of curiosities and then spontaneously be master of something which 10 seconds ago you havn't had the slightest clue about.

Maybe there is some middle ground where a character would absorb 'theory' (development potential) by studying curiosities and then gains useable proficiency (stats) in that area through 'practice' (while the theory is fresh in mind, with the memory of it fading if not put to use).

Pure practice would also build proficciency, but way slower (as it is hard to figure out stuff without a clue about what could be going on with it): fresh spawns would in the beginning start their path into character development, while later speed up their progress by studying curiosities related to the areas they currently practice. So both extremes will be pointless: only doing things (as the gains would be marginal) wouldn't be worth it, as would spending the whole life in the library (figuratively: only shoveling curios into the study).

Curiosities would idealy need to be made specific to certain knowledge areas for this, but my gut feeling is that this could be made to work nicely for 'normal' characters, giving them an organic feel of development - while at the same time fuck up the usual ways to create specialized (throwaway or not) alts.

[ricky]

Incentivizes performing the action for the purpose of levling, rather than for actual use. Ugly, and bot-friendly.

You actually did that with hunting and combat abilities, forcing us to kill stuff so we get the moves needed to kill what we actually want to kill.

And currently we have something that incentivizes performing an action for the purpose of levling something completely unrelated: I find it a bit strange that you can digest through cupboards full of curiosities and then spontaneously be master of something which 10 seconds ago you havn't had the slightest clue about.

Maybe there is some middle ground where a character would absorb 'theory' (development potential) by studying curiosities and then gains useable proficiency (stats) in that area through 'practice' (while the theory is fresh in mind, with the memory of it fading if not put to use).

Pure practice would also build proficciency, but way slower (as it is hard to figure out stuff without a clue about what could be going on with it): fresh spawns would in the beginning start their path into character development, while later speed up their progress by studying curiosities related to the areas they currently practice. So both extremes will be pointless: only doing things (as the gains would be marginal) wouldn't be worth it, as would spending the whole life in the library (figuratively: only shoveling curios into the study).

Curiosities would idealy need to be made specific to certain knowledge areas for this, but my gut feeling is that this could be made to work nicely for 'normal' characters, giving them an organic feel of development - while at the same time fuck up the usual ways to create specialized (throwaway or not) alts.

I've thought about ideas like this often, and I think it would work well. Having stat gains(both FEP stats and LP stats) "bought" through food/lp, but "earned" or "enabled" through use would be interesting.

I also think enabling skills through a LP purchase as well as an ingame task would also be interesting and potentially engaging

[VDZ]

Incentivizes performing the action for the purpose of levling, rather than for actual use. Ugly, and bot-friendly.

You actually did that with hunting and combat abilities, forcing us to kill stuff so we get the moves needed to kill what we actually want to kill.

Yeah, I also feel this system is very much at odds with the general style of Haven. You two keep insisting we should see animals as more than walking meat and skin waiting to be butchered, but then you force us to kill countless animals to get basic stuff like a red restoration (I still don't have one) or even just IP-generating moves for a few unlucky people.

(while the theory is fresh in mind, with the memory of it fading if not put to use).

No. Fuck that 'play more or lose your progress' shit. Players should never be forced to play by the system. (Yes, this is currently already the case for taming, steel and livestock, but those feel like a chore for that very reason.) Maybe fading if you do other stuff, but don't punish players for not playing.

while at the same time fuck up the usual ways to create specialized (throwaway or not) alts.

Because that worked so well for the FEP system? People will just mass produce the required items for the alt they want to create. You can't say this kind of stuff helps against alts because it just doesn't work that way.

[Granger]

(while the theory is fresh in mind, with the memory of it fading if not put to use).

No. Fuck that 'play more or lose your progress' shit. Players should never be forced to play by the system. (Yes, this is currently already the case for taming, steel and livestock, but those feel like a chore for that very reason.) Maybe fading if you do other stuff, but don't punish players for not playing.

Though was to deter from just eating curios without actually putting their potential to use, so obtaining theory is planned along actual things you plan to do to in the forseeable future to get away from simply vacuuming up everything in sight based on max LP/h/slot.

while at the same time fuck up the usual ways to create specialized (throwaway or not) alts.

Because that worked so well for the FEP system? People will just mass produce the required items for the alt they want to create. You can't say this kind of stuff helps against alts because it just doesn't work that way.

The difference would be that one wouldn't be able to scroll abilities up to a certain value, klick 'buy' and be done with it.
FEP on the other hand allows boundless (and with salt instant) raise of attributes through an unrelated action (eating).