Game Development: Frolick in the Camomile

[NOOBY93]

nidbanes shouldnt have a chance of murdering at all and it would be better if they removed them

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Nidbanes are a very lazy attempt at giving noobs a way of fighting back. instead of that, maybe the combat system should be looked at, that and the attribute/skill raising system.

[Sevenless]

nidbanes shouldnt have a chance of murdering at all and it would be better if they removed them

I was actually thinking, isn't the point of this to remove permadeath from fighting (barring going fighting when low HHP) so that people are generally speaking less afraid of being dicks to each other? Leaving nidbanes able to kill doesn't take that fear away unless nidbanes themselves are trivial to beat (which I've heard very conflicting reports on, perhaps faction quality bases makes a difference?) Unless there nidbanes are trivial (which they shouldn't be), there needs to be some kind of scentless combat option to truly enable this does there not? I know we've seen suggestions before like kingdom warfare along these lines. This is speculative from a non-pvp point of view. Although I'm now more comfortable say, fishing with my main, there's other concerns. If my friend was being assaulted for example, in order to defend them I would need to leave scents that could be nidbaned by anyone walking nearby that could permadeath me (especially being new to pvp combat, I'm not even certain how dangerous nidbanes are).

Nidburns are in and of themself a notable punishment due to enabling permadeath if you drop below ___% hp (whatever the highest grievious damage % attack type happens to be). And they could be tuned in such a way that they remain enough of a threat, but aren't a sudden source of permadeath from pvp where it's otherwise been removed.

Anyone's welcome to correct me if I misunderstand these elements of the mechanics. My pvping has always been done from a leadership position, not a foot soldier one.

@Nooby, I think nidbanes serve a useful purpose due to bases being essentially unsiege-able. It also allows some element of non-24/7 pvp so if you see something happened you can have impact on it after the fact.

[Kaios]

One nidbane at a time is still no big deal though even if it's a murder nidbane and even if a big faction sent it, nidbane from a murder scent on its own only does like this much damage in nidburn wounds:



And that's going to heal before they send the next one most likely. I'm also not entirely convinced that the issues with bugging out nidbanes have been resolved but idk much about that.

[Sevenless]

The one nidbane kill I know of was 7 nidbanes.

You're limited by mandrakes not by scents right?

[tirioll]

This just puts an even bigger nerf on them, guarentee'd if you sent me 5 murder nidbanes, i would kill all of them probably without even losing 50hhp maximum.

How do you plan on doing that?

Maybe this?
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=54759&p=727220&hil ... rs#p727220

[Serbuch]

I am left wondering about this. I managed to bring my client to 10 FPS only when I spawned 200 random-clad players, on my modestly good computer. I'd be glad if you could verify whether this might be caused by some of the custom-client combat mods.

i managed to bring my client to 30 fps ( in the middle of vilagge ,45 normally) by only fast spam clicking left mouse button (move command) , on my laptop.
i wonder if your 200 random players was moving or static?
i remeber times of world 8 , end of the world 8, alot of fukken bears at dolmen and my client fps went to 0

[sMartins]

Here the proof of what i was talking about in my previous post:
as soon as I switch 8x antialising on the Nvidia Control Panel this happen playing Hafen, pretty weird to me....and probably related some how with optimizations issues or drivers,etc...

Default settings, no filters:

Log file:
Without antialiasing on the NVCP:

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U Temperature [°C] , Fan Speed (%) [%] , Fan Speed (RPM) [RPM] , Memory Used [MB] , GPU Load [%] , Memory Controller Load [%] , Video Engine Load [%] , Bus Interface Load [%] , Power Consumption [% TDP] , PerfCap Reason [] , VDDC [V] ,
2017-04-20 19:54:08 ,              135.0   ,                162.0   ,               27.0   ,              34   ,                1516   ,            492   ,         27   ,                       22   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                     8.4   ,              16   , 0.8620   ,
2017-04-20 19:54:09 ,              135.0   ,                162.0   ,               26.0   ,              34   ,                1518   ,            492   ,         27   ,                       22   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                     8.5   ,              16   , 0.8620   ,
2017-04-20 19:54:10 ,              135.0   ,                162.0   ,               27.0   ,              34   ,                1514   ,            492   ,         25   ,                       20   ,                   0   ,                    0   ,                     8.4   ,              16   , 0.8620   ,
2017-04-20 19:54:11 ,              135.0   ,                162.0   ,               26.0   ,              34   ,                1513   ,            492   ,         23   ,                       20   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                     8.4   ,              16   , 0.8620   ,
2017-04-20 19:54:12 ,             1113.4   ,               1752.8   ,               29.0   ,              34   ,                1505   ,            510   ,         36   ,                       18   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    33.1   ,              16   , 1.0180   ,
2017-04-20 19:54:13 ,             1113.4   ,               1752.8   ,               30.0   ,              34   ,                1502   ,            510   ,         36   ,                       18   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    32.4   ,              16   , 1.0180   ,
2017-04-20 19:54:14 ,             1113.4   ,               1752.8   ,               30.0   ,              34   ,                1496   ,            512   ,         37   ,                       18   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    32.8   ,              16   , 1.0180   ,
2017-04-20 19:54:15 ,             1113.4   ,               1752.8   ,               29.0   ,              34   ,                1495   ,            513   ,         18   ,                        4   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    26.1   ,              16   , 1.0180   ,
2017-04-20 19:54:16 ,             1113.4   ,               1752.8   ,               29.0   ,              34   ,                1497   ,            513   ,         21   ,                        5   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    26.1   ,              16   , 1.0180   ,
2017-04-20 19:54:17 ,              899.0   ,               1752.8   ,               29.0   ,              34   ,                1501   ,            515   ,         24   ,                        5   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    25.8   ,              16   , 1.0180   ,
2017-04-20 19:54:18 ,              899.0   ,               1752.8   ,               29.0   ,              34   ,                1500   ,            110   ,          0   ,                        1   ,                   0   ,                    0   ,                    22.7   ,              16   , 1.0180   ,

With antialising 8x:

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U Temperature [°C] , Fan Speed (%) [%] , Fan Speed (RPM) [RPM] , Memory Used [MB] , GPU Load [%] , Memory Controller Load [%] , Video Engine Load [%] , Bus Interface Load [%] , Power Consumption [% TDP] , PerfCap Reason [] , VDDC [V] ,
2017-04-20 19:59:00 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               69.0   ,              69   ,                2188   ,            789   ,         99   ,                       30   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    83.9   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:01 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               69.0   ,              69   ,                2194   ,            789   ,         97   ,                       30   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    83.8   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:02 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              69   ,                2194   ,            789   ,         97   ,                       30   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    85.3   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:03 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              69   ,                2195   ,            789   ,        100   ,                       30   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.1   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:04 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              69   ,                2197   ,            789   ,        100   ,                       30   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    85.0   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:05 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              69   ,                2195   ,            789   ,         96   ,                       29   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    85.7   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:06 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              69   ,                2193   ,            789   ,         97   ,                       29   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    85.2   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:07 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              69   ,                2196   ,            789   ,         96   ,                       29   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    85.0   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:08 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              69   ,                2201   ,            791   ,        100   ,                       30   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    85.8   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:09 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              69   ,                2203   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       30   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.0   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:10 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              69   ,                2207   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       30   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.4   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:11 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              69   ,                2212   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       30   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.3   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:12 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              69   ,                2215   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       31   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.1   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:13 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              69   ,                2208   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       30   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.2   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:14 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              69   ,                2216   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       31   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.4   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:15 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               71.0   ,              70   ,                2215   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       31   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.2   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:16 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              70   ,                2217   ,            791   ,        100   ,                       31   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.1   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:17 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              70   ,                2220   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       30   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.7   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:18 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               71.0   ,              70   ,                2222   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       31   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.3   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:19 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              70   ,                2217   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       31   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.3   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:20 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               71.0   ,              70   ,                2223   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       30   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.2   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:21 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               71.0   ,              70   ,                2228   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       31   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.5   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:22 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               71.0   ,              70   ,                2227   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       31   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.3   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:23 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               71.0   ,              70   ,                2233   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       31   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.0   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:24 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               71.0   ,              70   ,                2234   ,            791   ,        100   ,                       31   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.8   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:25 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               71.0   ,              70   ,                2230   ,            791   ,        100   ,                       31   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.1   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:26 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               71.0   ,              70   ,                2239   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       31   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.5   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:27 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               71.0   ,              70   ,                2238   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       31   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.8   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:28 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               71.0   ,              70   ,                2244   ,            791   ,         99   ,                       31   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    86.4   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:29 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               70.0   ,              70   ,                2238   ,            792   ,         82   ,                       26   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    67.8   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:30 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               68.0   ,              70   ,                2248   ,            792   ,         78   ,                       25   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    65.9   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,
2017-04-20 19:59:31 ,             1328.9   ,               1752.8   ,               68.0   ,              70   ,                2247   ,            792   ,         67   ,                       21   ,                   0   ,                    1   ,                    73.8   ,               4   , 1.2060   ,

[Granger]

The nidbane, iirc, are simple to beat inside a house as the don't use stairs - an exploit that should be fixed.

[Carnation]

Sweet update!

[tirioll]

Maybe this?
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=54759&p=727220&hil ... rs#p727220

The nidbane, iirc, are simple to beat inside a house as the don't use stairs - an exploit that should be fixed.

Thanks