Surrender mechanic to replace KO

[newaccountlol]

Implement surrender mechanic. Maybe some kind of honor/karma system too to discourage killing.

Surrendering would temporarily halt combat and character would kneel. If the surrender is accepted by any attacker, you instantly drop all your possessions and hearth home. If the surrender is denied by any attacker, combat continues. Killing a surrendered enemy would leave a murder scent regardless of if they committed a crime against you. A karma system could possibly remove the ability to surrender if you have already killed too many people, or the consequences of killing a surrendered enemy could be based on the enemy's "karma".

[2d0x]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57&p=749&hilit=karma#p749

[newaccountlol]

http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57&p=749&hilit=karma#p749

That doesn't have much to do with this

[2d0x]

That doesn't have much to do with this

As you will say... Just a lot of people suggested the introduction of karma in one form or another (similar, including).

[boreial]

Red Handed can already not hearth so karma is essentially already in place, as for the non-surreneder having the control, ummm NO this is just giving gankers the power back again to kill whoever they want be it a worthy opponent IE: stated and geared similarly, or some poor scrub wandering around trying to explore the game just because it's "FUN" , A mentality that I for one just cannot understand.

[newaccountlol]

Red Handed can already not hearth so karma is essentially already in place, as for the non-surreneder having the control, ummm NO this is just giving gankers the power back again to kill whoever they want be it a worthy opponent IE: stated and geared similarly, or some poor scrub wandering around trying to explore the game just because it's "FUN" , A mentality that I for one just cannot understand.

Obviously it's more hardcore than the current system. That's the point. Lots of people including me hate the KO system(and actually has nothing to do with griefing noobs). This is meant to be a compromise between w9 and w10 system. The system I'm promoting can be tweaked over time to find the right balance, potentially to have -significant- downsides to random killing. The main point is that killing should always be possible. The KO system has ruined what attracted me to the game in the first place. It is without a doubt against the core values of the original game. It's up to the devs to decide if those values are worth keeping or if they'd rather evolve to something different.

[Granger]

Link TPtoHFonKO to rage (mutual exclusive, buying rage takes away the leniency and maked the character vulnerable to permadeath on first defeat) and that's solved: Should you have fun with dying then buy rage and you can end others that see it the same way - but if you dislike it you can simply skip rage and awake at your HF should you meet someone with a different viewpoint on the matter.

Also: Having a theft+ scent of the character you KO in your inventory could disable the TPtoHF for it, so justice can be served again.

[sMartins]

Not bad, good suggestions here. I like both op and granger ideas ...

[newaccountlol]

TPtoHFonKO should require hearth magic + lots of exp + 48 hour cooldown and body can be looted

Disabled if criminal

Disabled if surrendered

[jorb]

Myeah, idk. Not sure it changes much.