Everyone who plays H&H should read Ikimetsien Sydänmailla

[Endymion]

Ikimetsien Sydänmailla / In the Heart of the Primal Forests by Mikko Kamula is an awesome book I'm reading.

It has lots of stuff that I can relate to thanks having played H&H such as meeting a group of Russians just as you are boating away from your base and pretending you are from some place far away since you don't want them to know about your base that you have just outside the minimap view range, visiting some noobs that have built their base right next to water, people lifting boats to carry them from one body of water to another and of course there's trying to hide your boats while you go hunting. All of that made me realize that many behaviors in H&H that feel kind of gamey are actually surprisingly realistic.

Anyway afaik it's only in Finnish atm. if I could find a non-physical copy of it, running it through google translate and making sure it doesn't butcher it too much could be a thing to waste some time on.

[Granger]

Anyway afaik it's only in Finnish atm. if I could find a non-physical copy of it, running it through google translate and making sure it doesn't butcher it too much could be a thing to waste some time on.

Such an act of piracy would be appreciated.

[shubla]

Anyway afaik it's only in Finnish atm.

Everyone should obviously learn Finnish then

[vatas]

>everyone should read this
>it's only in Finnish

[Trappin]

I'm trying think of books in English like the Finnish one mentioned above. Themes and elements such as hostile and friendly people, wilderness survival, portaging boats and hiding things from thieves in caches.

The Journals of Lewis and Clark, 1804-1806 by William Clark and Meriwether Lewis. Free at Project Gutenberg. The PG versions are optically scanned and unedited from the handwritten journals. Which means lots of scanning errors. And both men spell words phonetically. Which can make for tedious reading.

Likenesses. They trade in curios. Portage their many pirogue (dugout canoes). They get attacked by grizzly bears. Forage food. Look for ores. They have a portable blacksmithing setup. Build palasades and huts. They meet friendly and hostile Indians. They smoke peace pipes. They cache valuable gear in the earth and return a year later and dig it back out. They go naked often. Feet get punctured by prickly pear thorns.



Because these are daily journals it doesn't really matter where you start reading. Pick a random day and begin.

we found a number of carcases of the buffalo lying along shore, which had been drowned by falling throughout the ice in winter and lodged on shore by the high water when the river broke up about the first of this month. we saw also many tracks of the white bear of enormous size, along the river shore and about the carcases of the buffalo, on which I presume they feed. we have not as yet seen one of these animals, tho their tracks are so abundant and recent. the men as well as ourselves are anxious to meet with some of these bear. the Indians give a very formidable account of the strength and ferocity of this animal, which they never dare to attack but in parties of six eight or ten persons; and are even then frequently defeated with the loss of one or more of their party. the Indians attack this animal with their bows and arrows and the indifferent guns with which the British traders furnish them, with these they shoot with such uncertainty and at so short a distance, that they frequently miss their aim & fall a sacrifice to the bear.Two Minnetarees were killed during the last winter in an attack on a white bear. this animal is said more frequently to attack a man on meeting with him, than to flee from him. When the Indians are about to go in quest of the white bear, previous to their departure, they paint themselves and perform all those superstitious rights commonly observed when they are about to make war upon a neighboring nation.

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/8419

All free books on Lewis and Clark: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search ... +and+Clark

Also free Books by Cooper, James Fenimore
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/483

[MagicManICT]

Completely off topic, but just to think that polar bears once ranged that far south....

Back on topic, I've read a few excerpts from Lewis & Clark. There are many interesting and amazing stories in there. By no means is it a novel, though.

Wish there were a cheap translation service for many of the world's works. So much amazing stuff comes out from all corners that it would be great to be able to read a copy without having to wade through the horrid auto-translated versions (if you can even get that).

[Trappin]

The optical scanning equipment can only get better. Because it even makes a mess of old printed text. We can hope, right? Some of the free translated 20th century Russian stuff is pretty good. Vasily Grossman's Life and Fate is pretty awesome. Yeah, the free copy is on a Russian server someplace.

I'd love to read that Finnish book. Oh well.

Most of the Indians didn't really know what was beyond their own ranging area. Rumor and superstition dominated most topics -and a few facts sprinkled in to keep everyone guessing. Little evil men inhabit a hill not far from Council Buff. They check it out. Gigantic bones. Stuff like that. One other story i'll relate. L/C and his whole crew were very hungry. Same with their Indian hosts. Kinda starving actually. They shoot three kinda scrawny elk and Lewis sends word to the Chief - FOOD COME. Well they all run up and literally devour the thing raw. One of the Braves grabs raw intestines and with one hand is squeezing out the intestinal goop while the other hand is feeding the empty end into his mouth. They were that hungry. The dust settles, the elk are eaten to the last, and everyone is smiling, laughing and sated. Funny and horrific.