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Re: The Science Delusion - Rupert Sheldrake
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Re: The Science Delusion - Rupert Sheldrake
Thanks man, I'll chuckle about this all morning.Zentetsuken wrote:Reeeeee! Reeeeeee! Ad hominem. Reeeee! Ad hominem. Reeeeee! *choking gasping for breath sounds.
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Re: The Science Delusion - Rupert Sheldrake
I have seen that talk before, and it does indeed contain a pretty good presentation of some of the more glaring problems with the presuppositions of reductionism, materialism, positivism, and mechanism.
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Re: The Science Delusion - Rupert Sheldrake
What you think about the fact that Christianity has in his own roots all of that? We are children of God, created in his own image, everything is possible for us.jorb wrote:I have seen that talk before, and it does indeed contain a pretty good presentation of some of the more glaring problems with the presuppositions of reductionism, materialism, positivism, and mechanism.
It's not true, we have limits, we removed the chains from Prometheus, we set him free. That's what I think, techinque is Christian, or better, the result of Christianity.
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Re: The Science Delusion - Rupert Sheldrake
Our current scientific knowledge shouldn't be neither discarded or taken as absolute truth. It's fool's errand to argue about stuff like if 1+1 really equals 2 or if things generally fall towards center of Earth, but there are things we don't know the full picture yet. Albert Einstein's general Theory of Relativity has held up pretty well for what I can tell of occasionally reading magazines about popular science, but it may have to be amended or perhaps even replaced by something else.
Unfortunately the talk seems to devolve into pseudoscience and quackery. Giraffes form into Giraffes and can function as one due to complex genetic instructions that we don't fully understand yet, not because there's some whatever it was he claimed guiding their development.
I have to admit I read an interesting novella a while ago, that has at least some themes relevant to this topic. It takes place in Finland where some sort of ultra-rationalist/nationalist party has gained dictatorial control. They reject recent breakthrough in medical technology: turns out that Faith Healing works. People can stimulate quantum fields that function as blueprints for tissue to massively accelerate healing process (this does consume lot of energy and nutrients) and main character uses this on himself to recover from gunshots. Technology has been adapted into handheld scanner/healing apparatus but having banned all alternative medicine before said discovery, the party seems to be unwilling to accept that they're wrong and said miracle-cure remains illegal (at least to general public.) Main character ends up using weaponized version of this to destroy quantum fields holding people's tissues together, turning them into piles of "Black Flesh" which is the title of said novella and named the Anthology "Mustaa Lihaa" it was featured in. (Note: there is only one word for flesh/meat in Finnish, "liha") While it wa thought-provoking read, I dislike how at one point near the end the Party is essentially turned into Strawman Argument against people who support immigration control, as banning all immigration supposedly was the thing that wrecked the Finland's economy in the story.
All-in-all, while it's unlikely that our bodies rely on quantum fields to grow and maintain themselves, the story has an Aesop that given sufficient evidence, you need to accept new knowledge that overturns something that was previously thought to be as certain as 1+1=2.
Unfortunately the talk seems to devolve into pseudoscience and quackery. Giraffes form into Giraffes and can function as one due to complex genetic instructions that we don't fully understand yet, not because there's some whatever it was he claimed guiding their development.
I have to admit I read an interesting novella a while ago, that has at least some themes relevant to this topic. It takes place in Finland where some sort of ultra-rationalist/nationalist party has gained dictatorial control. They reject recent breakthrough in medical technology: turns out that Faith Healing works. People can stimulate quantum fields that function as blueprints for tissue to massively accelerate healing process (this does consume lot of energy and nutrients) and main character uses this on himself to recover from gunshots. Technology has been adapted into handheld scanner/healing apparatus but having banned all alternative medicine before said discovery, the party seems to be unwilling to accept that they're wrong and said miracle-cure remains illegal (at least to general public.) Main character ends up using weaponized version of this to destroy quantum fields holding people's tissues together, turning them into piles of "Black Flesh" which is the title of said novella and named the Anthology "Mustaa Lihaa" it was featured in. (Note: there is only one word for flesh/meat in Finnish, "liha") While it wa thought-provoking read, I dislike how at one point near the end the Party is essentially turned into Strawman Argument against people who support immigration control, as banning all immigration supposedly was the thing that wrecked the Finland's economy in the story.
All-in-all, while it's unlikely that our bodies rely on quantum fields to grow and maintain themselves, the story has an Aesop that given sufficient evidence, you need to accept new knowledge that overturns something that was previously thought to be as certain as 1+1=2.
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Re: The Science Delusion - Rupert Sheldrake
The question is that tecnique as long as it remains tecnique is a good thing, but it's not good anymore once it becomes everything, such as our form of organization, that it's happening, well, already happened.
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