Prelude: World 11

[Mafious]

This game is totally 100% completely anti new player, always has been, what else is new?

I do not agree. The game has become much "softer" to new players, people did not.

can confirm, i created a character on the legacy server yesterday just because, and it sucked, hafen or whatever you want to call it is at least 200% easier for new players and more visually apealing.

[Zaeseled]

Started playing 2017, game didn't quite grab me or my friends, but I gave it a second try and I'm really excited to see what W11 will bring

[joojoo1975]

There are two types of players that play Haven: botters, and those that nerdraeg about botters.

you are part of the Problem, not the Solution.

[wlkk011]

Cutting spruce caps is not PvP..

The last time I checked, PvP means player vs. player - a spruce cap being curb stomped by a more experienced player still counts as so. This isn't a thing that's restricted to Haven. Even in other games with PvP like Rust, ARK, etc. there is always a chance that a new player will get into a one-sided fight with a better player.

The game or real life, but the person adapts to the circumstances, and in a similar situation the same patterned behavior will be applied (this is more a statement of fact than a reproach).

I think you're just being too scientific with this... most of the player-base are just autists in general.

PVP is different from your PVP. PVP is a challenge to same level player and try to win a competition by better skills. But some ugly person only like the feeling of bullying the weak, they have no brave to face who have the same power as them. Are these ugly people who you like to meet in this game? Mostly poeple have no time to deal with those trouble. People are tired with troubles and quit, not game is boring, unlimited trouble is boring.

I'm pretty sure PvP means player vs. player. I'm afraid you can't just change the definition of it to fit with what's convenient for you. A random asshole ruining a spruce cap's day is still PvP... this has always been a thing since World 1. I myself have had the privilege of being a noob and being fucked up the ass by a stronger player more than a couple of times. Shit happens. You either learn from the experience and become a better player, or you go to the forums to bawl your eyes out.

A player can always just move out to one of the further grids if they want to avoid trouble, either that or join a village. If they want to quit, then maybe Haven isn't the game for them and they need to find something else to fit their interests.

This is why the final outcome of online games always leaves a group of bad garbage, because people with normal life can’t keep up with them.

The game is virtual, but the people in front of the computer are living in reality. We are more real in the game than in reality. Because no one knows who we are, we can express ourselves completely according to our inner wishes. However, because the game has no restrictions, it makes the bad behavior unscrupulous. If the game world is dirty and shameless, is it the life you desire in your dreams?

Of course, what kind of players are left in the game, it is completely in accordance with the wishes of the developers. I just said that it would be unfortunate if a player loses a good game because of a few inferior people, or if a good game loses a lot of good players.

[Ysh]

The game is virtual, but the people in front of the computer are living in reality. We are more real in the game than in reality. Because no one knows who we are, we can express ourselves completely according to our inner wishes. However, because the game has no restrictions, it makes the bad behavior unscrupulous. If the game world is dirty and shameless, is it the life you desire in your dreams?

There is difference between game world and real world. In the real live I will try hard not to tell some lies, because I think it is not good to do this. But if I am playing bluffing game, then I will tell these lies with no qualm. This is because all players present in game agree to some rules that allow this bluffing.

In Haven if you will play this game then you are consenting to follow rules of this game, as are programmed into this world. Every interaction within this game can be made according to these rules without moral consideration. If you are the type of man who get mad when your friend lie to you in bluffing game, then I think maybe you should not be playing game like Haven. This can be game where players are able to play some very bad pranks on each other!

[Hrenli]

I just said that it would be unfortunate if a player loses a good game because of a few inferior people, or if a good game loses a lot of good players.

Any reason why are you hiding behind an alt account talking about good and bad?

[wlkk011]

The game is virtual, but the people in front of the computer are living in reality. We are more real in the game than in reality. Because no one knows who we are, we can express ourselves completely according to our inner wishes. However, because the game has no restrictions, it makes the bad behavior unscrupulous. If the game world is dirty and shameless, is it the life you desire in your dreams?

There is difference between game world and real world. In the real live I will try hard not to tell some lies, because I think it is not good to do this. But if I am playing bluffing game, then I will tell these lies with no qualm. This is because all players present in game agree to some rules that allow this bluffing.

In Haven if you will play this game then you are consenting to follow rules of this game, as are programmed into this world. Every interaction within this game can be made according to these rules without moral consideration. If you are the type of man who get mad when your friend lie to you in bluffing game, then I think maybe you should not be playing game like Haven. This can be game where players are able to play some very bad pranks on each other!

if your inner are a lier, then you can think it's good to lie in a game, that's why you think all lier in the game is very good feel. if you are not a lier in real life, you won't tell lies in the game, you still are you, no different.

[wlkk011]

I just said that it would be unfortunate if a player loses a good game because of a few inferior people, or if a good game loses a lot of good players.

Any reason why are you hiding behind an alt account talking about good and bad?

Do you think it is convincing to pay attention to a point that is totally unimportant? When I started, I used a bunch of accounts to find places to live. Now I am using this account. Why do you guess that boring is a alt account? The characters in my game are all ranked to 036, anything of you business? And does that make any differernt with what I said?

[Ysh]

The game is virtual, but the people in front of the computer are living in reality. We are more real in the game than in reality. Because no one knows who we are, we can express ourselves completely according to our inner wishes. However, because the game has no restrictions, it makes the bad behavior unscrupulous. If the game world is dirty and shameless, is it the life you desire in your dreams?

There is difference between game world and real world. In the real live I will try hard not to tell some lies, because I think it is not good to do this. But if I am playing bluffing game, then I will tell these lies with no qualm. This is because all players present in game agree to some rules that allow this bluffing.

In Haven if you will play this game then you are consenting to follow rules of this game, as are programmed into this world. Every interaction within this game can be made according to these rules without moral consideration. If you are the type of man who get mad when your friend lie to you in bluffing game, then I think maybe you should not be playing game like Haven. This can be game where players are able to play some very bad pranks on each other!

if your inner are a lier, then you can think it's good to lie in a game, that's why you think all lier in the game is very good feel. if you are not a lier in real life, you won't tell lies in the game, you still are you, no different.

Idea that morality of act can be judge independent of context is laughable.

[Hrenli]

Do you think it is convincing to pay attention to a point that is totally unimportant? When I started, I used a bunch of accounts to find places to live. Now I am using this account. Why do you guess that boring is a alt account? The characters in my game are all ranked to 036, anything of you business? And does that make any differernt with what I said?

Well, just the fact that you had to write judgemental sentences about other players in this game from a less than 1 day old account looks slightly dubious, don't you think?

And as for:

characters in my game are all ranked to 036, anything of you business?

I don't get what you mean here so - sorry, couldn't answer.