Where is Meteorites, Where is Siedge.

[MrBunzy]

Is shit siege actually anything new? Last world I remember everyone saying siege was "literally impossible." There was no way anyone could camp catapults long enough to break through 4 separate shields to destroy a real village (80+ hours? lol). But I also remember pulling off multiple successful sieges, on pretty significant villages. By comparison, this new siege isn't even that much worse. I'm not saying that siege can't use improvement, just that this is more or less how it has always been. You AD-allied bois seem to be no lifing hard enough, honestly, just put in the work to siege someone instead of demanding that the devs spoon feed you a reward for your big numbers. Who knows, you might actually get a real fight if you camp some catapults for long enough.

[CaveHermit]

Why don't you just PVP between each other given you're all so eager?

Unless it's not actually PVP you're looking for, but ganking.

well as i said thats what it is ok, GANKING... i mean in my 1st post a few pages ago i talk about how we agreed to 1v1 and then when i was winning the 1v1 they ganked me. cant trust these noobs, they just want easy kills and to brag about how good they are. u can go watch sacraers vids and watch him slaughter noobs calling himself daddy and screaming IM SACRAER, DIEEEEEEEE

Man what you say idiot? Sacraer said you go 1v1 in red/blu i told to him before make green def on 5/5 but he dont use artful and u like a gay use fucking green deck. Losers. 1v1 btw xd try ad in 8v8 noob. Uh wait you lose 8v13 . Hh in w10 said (oh ya we will break ad it will be so easy. Bleh call jorb about perma death and from start world never buy rage bcs he is pussi.....)

[thesourceofsadness]

Grinding so hard but still can't kill every carebear and destroy every shithole around the map to put game's population back to pre-wipe stage? What a pity, really.

[Frantianno228]

Grinding so hard but still can't kill every carebear and destroy every shithole around the map to put game's population back to pre-wipe stage? What a pity, really.

LOL Just do something with realm challenging then. Hedgehugs palisading AND challenging cairns. Thats makes impossible to defend / destroy it!

[Vraatjuh]

Why are unclaimed pallisades not hand-bashable actually?

nevermind; see there's a seperate tread for it already.

[thesourceofsadness]

Grinding so hard but still can't kill every carebear and destroy every shithole around the map to put game's population back to pre-wipe stage? What a pity, really.

LOL Just do something with realm challenging then. Hedgehugs palisading AND challenging cairns. Thats makes impossible to defend / destroy it!

I agree that siege system has some problems, but it's still better than in previous world. At least, you need to siege visible walls istead of invisible "shields".

But anyway, when someone want to make changes to siege mechanics, he should think not only about how to enjoy killing and destroying, but also about those people he's going to kill and plunder. As it was said in this topic already, they need a way to fight back even if they are not gaming no-lifers and can't win a grinding race by playing 24/7. Or PvP-folks may end up on empty server - again.

As i see it, the problem is that top-factions have no interest in building real kingdoms and making them populated - only in killing and destroying. Really, who need these farmers if you have everything top quality by your own? Just make your land free of them!

My point is that the game needs some community-based end-game goals, to make top-factions interested in keeping their kingdoms populated, not just siege and kill for fun.

[ChildhoodObesity]

Man what you say idiot? Sacraer said you go 1v1 in red/blu i told to him before make green def on 5/5 but he dont use artful and u like a gay use fucking green deck. Losers. 1v1 btw xd try ad in 8v8 noob. Uh wait you lose 8v13 . Hh in w10 said (oh ya we will break ad it will be so easy. Bleh call jorb about perma death and from start world never buy rage bcs he is pussi.....)

do you even read what u say? theres nothing wrong with swithcing decks in a fight i think jorb said he liked the idea of switching decks, and he lost to a cleave deck not a green deck. go suck up to ur daddy harder. maybe u should fight on sacraers char instead of him though, u sound like a better player

anyways not like i told him we are doing red/blue only deck, which is way better than uppercut even atm. not to mention he GANKED ME haHAHAh and u ganked me 5v1 in a 1v1. u guys dont have any room to talk on anything tbh

[Lojka]

guys why u still discusss your failed duel here ? can't u just make a palisade arena so it will be fair fight and no one will distrub you or run away

[dafels]

You sure seem to cry alot about the 1v1 you had. Are you ok my friend? Get over it haha

[VDZ]

Well, I guess I'll go out and say it clearly, then: I find instant 100% annihilation raids to be a poor and unfun game mechanic, and do not want complete destruction of all property and acquired items (i.e. 95% of all game progress) as a result of a single attack in this game. If 100% destroying a player is the only way you can have fun in this game, then indeed, we will never be able to agree on this.

ty for being honest and yes perma death pvp and raiding is the only way I can have fun in this game, if you ask me its really the only thing that sets haven apart

If utterly destroying someone else's fun is the only way you can enjoy this game, I will have to point out that this is never going to be trivial as it could never possibly be sustainable; when people get utterly annihilated like that, they quit and the player count drops. Disregarding game design, fun and practical implications, this also causes a notable drop in dev income. It will never happen. The only thing you could reasonably ask for is is incentives for people to put themselves in danger or some kind of more fair siege system that does not lead to complete annihilation. But judging by your glorification of w5 stealth and bug raids, fair PvP does not seem to be what you're looking for, only a way to destroy everything with little effort. Give up; even if the devs were in complete agreement with you it still could never happen due to practical considerations.