Game Development: Garden Bell

[Uriel]

Bring back the Inner Party or ask the community for potential fixes to these kinds of problems because assuming we bow down whales is painfully out of touch

Would much rather see constructive input on the actual question than meta commentary.

I think it's pretty dumb that boats act as a force multiplier, allowing a single character to be exposed to 10+, which would not be possible in any other situation, and I think that should be fixed.

I think the real fix here is object controlled objects, and walkable boats, but that is some ways away. I am open to the idea of making the driver be the one, and only one, able to hit from a ship.

+1

[Lunarius_Haberdash]

For noobs (and devs, obviously) -every time you replant herbs in pots you use better mulch from fertilizers. and no one will be happy to accidentally put 5th current mulch and ruin the whole 3 cycles. this is not QoL-change. it's just another pain-in-the ass change from "we don't play our game" devs. stop it. please

Couldn't you just... Not... Fill the pots all the way?

[VDZ]

uhhhhh, Whales?

just let us beat up whales with swords and axes from a boat like people did historically

Bows sucking and whales being dumb aside, meleeing a whale, ever, makes zero sense. It can exist as a stopgap solution but it's going to have to go at some point.

or ask the community for potential fixes to these kinds of problems

You know there's a whole subforum for that? There's 11 pages of discussion about potential fixes there. Arguably the devs picked the wrong solution here, but some pretty major arguments brought up now weren't being brought up before this update.

You say that, but then you also keep touting that you can fire with bows from the boat.

Is that not the same thing? Instead of UA/MC it's a bow. Having 10 people with a bow on a single boat is a force multiplier.

It's not as massive of a difference as an additional 9 melee attackers, though; the way quantity of attackers works with the openings system means you you receive absolutely massive damage if they attack well (raise opening to insane level, then perform high-damage attack).

Nearly everyone is in unanimous agreement that unconscious bodies should prevent a boat from being bashed. And yet, we still have not seen that change.
It is one of the most obvious, and agreeable changes that could be done.

Unbashable objects are never obvious, agreeable changes. Under current mechanics, this would let you form an indestructible wall in the water by putting alts in dugouts and KOing them yourself. There are various possible ways to counter that, but all have their potential problems to consider. 'Just don't let boats with unconscious bodies be bashed' is the exact same kind of solution as 'just don't let people perform attacks while on ships'.

[LunarArchon]

+1 to boat fix, my sad hermit got dunked on by a random pair of dudes and I lost nearly all my shit cause of this. Captain to Captain combat sounds like a good alternative. Maybe a "Raise a white flag" or "Parley" hearth magic? Bandy over x cargo and the captain is immune from hostilities for x amount of time and also unable to attack ect.

I would have gladly sent over my chests instead of having to listen to all my gear get dumped in a river...

[peanutzrgud]

Revert this bullshit boat change.

It also applies to pvm where a swan can attack me but I can't attack it. The same is true for WHALES? Use your brains, man.

Bows can still be used in boats and 10 people in a knar with bows is 100x's more OP than that bullshit Shubla was pulling. Shubla's tactic only really works on scrubs with no armor and yet the entire boat combat system needed to be kneecapped because of it?

4 people in a snekkja cant even be attacked without bows now so if you didn't bring one or if it doesnt do enough dmg I guess you can just give up?

Awful change to bandaid a high effort and niche problem

Really disappointed in how consistent and reliable these types of nerfs are. No forethought and a total willingness to add tedious extra steps while not actually fixing the problem

Theres this cool little thing in the game called a rowboat. You use 10 blocks, 25 boards, and some tar to make it, and it holds 3 people or 1 person and 2 liftables. Maybe give it a try?
You griefers get 0 sympathy

[Sollar]

Ok ... How do you kill seals in the middle of the ocean?

[jordancoles]

Ok ... How do you kill seals in the middle of the ocean?

And what do you do if a seal agros you in the middle of the ocean? Boat to shore so that you can fight back because it'll be up in your face in .02 seconds and bow dmg drops if you're at point-blank range

[boshaw]

Ok ... How do you kill seals in the middle of the ocean?

And what do you do if a seal agros you in the middle of the ocean? Boat to shore so that you can fight back because it'll be up in your face in .02 seconds and bow dmg drops if you're at point-blank range

Ok ... How do you kill seals in the middle of the ocean?

Man up and jump out of the boat for the 10 seconds it takes to kill one or drop a rowboat, get in it, and kill the seal before the decay ticks break it.

[springyb]

Revert this bullshit boat change.

It also applies to pvm where a swan can attack me but I can't attack it. The same is true for WHALES? Use your brains, man.

Bows can still be used in boats and 10 people in a knar with bows is 100x's more OP than that bullshit Shubla was pulling. Shubla's tactic only really works on scrubs with no armor and yet the entire boat combat system needed to be kneecapped because of it?

4 people in a snekkja cant even be attacked without bows now so if you didn't bring one or if it doesnt do enough dmg I guess you can just give up?

Awful change to bandaid a high effort and niche problem

Really disappointed in how consistent and reliable these types of nerfs are. No forethought and a total willingness to add tedious extra steps while not actually fixing the problem

Theres this cool little thing in the game called a rowboat. You use 10 blocks, 25 boards, and some tar to make it, and it holds 3 people or 1 person and 2 liftables. Maybe give it a try?
You griefers get 0 sympathy

Take your rowboat into the ocean against a whale let us know how it works out for ya

[delfer8]

You can still have 1 alt in kicksled and double your attack power, making you much more stronger than somebody with only a single character in the kicksled.

U can still move a sled with an alt on without loosing any stamina and starve to death alone runing GG