For people that did get hacked can you comment and share what client you were using, to try to help people avoid this?
This also allows us to see correlations if a specific client is to blame or if there is another reason this occurred.
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loftar
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Re: I got hacked
I want to be clear about the fact that I don't know that it's a malicious client. If anything, I've noticed among the hacked accounts some that haven't even logged in since like 2013, so I'm not sure the client theory is even satisfactory at all.jock wrote:For people that did get hack can you comment and share what client you where using, to try help people avoid this.
To be sure, though, it's not just a brute-force hack. The attacker just logged straight into the accounts without trying different passwords, so he clearly has some sort of list of credentials.
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jock
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Re: I got hacked
I edit my post just before you repliedloftar wrote:I want to be clear about the fact that I don't know that it's a malicious client. If anything, I've noticed among the hacked accounts some that haven't even logged in since like 2013, so I'm not sure the clien theory is even satisfactory at all.jock wrote:For people that did get hack can you comment and share what client you where using, to try help people avoid this.
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jock
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Re: I got hacked
<editjock wrote:For people that did get hacked can you comment and share what client you were using, to try to help people avoid this?
This also allows us to see correlations if a specific client is to blame or if there is another reason this occurred.
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vatas
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Re: I got hacked
No idea if this is connected and this is basically hearsay, but someone said they lost 4 top-quality treepots and suspected a bug. While Occam's Razor still says "he accidentally dropped them, did not notice, they despawned" there still could be a connection. It would make sense that the attacker would perform surgical strikes like this. In WoW you could make decent in-game gold from compromised accounts by vendoring everything soulbound (trade restricted) then simply mailing all money and all non-soulbound items to an expendable mule account. In Haven you can't really liquidate large amount of items, part of the reason why, after a successful siege, it is common to simply bash most containers and only cherry-pick the few especially valuable items.
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Kyrex
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Re: I got hacked
vatas wrote:No idea if this is connected and this is basically hearsay, but someone said they lost 4 top-quality treepots and suspected a bug.
How long ago?
It seems not enough people know about the (awesome) security logs that you can check.
On this website, the person can go to:
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Account -> Account Security -> View Security Log


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Kyrex
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Re: I got hacked
Re: thismenillos wrote:i got hacked and my name is not on the list i feel scammed xD
Checked in with Menillos and looks like e probably didn't get hacked.



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dor
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Re: I got hacked
IMHO, it's not related to malicious client. Initially I thought it was just dict-based bruteforce attack, but if there was no failed attempts, it seems that hacker had login:pass pair. I think he got it from one of the widely available leaked bases. So he just had to try these pairs in hope that user used same password everywhere.loftar wrote:To be sure, though, it's not just a brute-force hack. The attacker just logged straight into the accounts without trying different passwords, so he clearly has some sort of list of credentials.
@Loftar, if it's possible, please, check two things:
- are there any spike in amount of failed attempts with non-existent login
- are there any spike in amount of failed attempts overall
First could give some insight regarding where from attacker got logins. Second one will shed some light on my hypothesis about "same password everywhere" attack.
If both are "no" then it would mean that attacker had very accurate info about user accounts.
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dagrimreefah
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Re: I got hacked
dor wrote:IMHO, it's not related to malicious client. Initially I thought it was just dict-based bruteforce attack, but if there was no failed attempts, it seems that hacker had login:pass pair. I think he got it from one of the widely available leaked bases. So he just had to try these pairs in hope that user used same password everywhere.
@Loftar, if it's possible, please, check two things:
- are there any spike in amount of failed attempts with non-existent login
- are there any spike in amount of failed attempts overall
First could give some insight regarding where from attacker got logins. Second one will shed some light on my hypothesis about "same password everywhere" attack.
If both are "no" then it would mean that attacker had very accurate info about user accounts.

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Kyrex
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Re: I got hacked
From discord:dor wrote:IMHO, it's not related to malicious client. Initially I thought it was just dict-based bruteforce attack, but if there was no failed attempts, it seems that hacker had login:pass pair. I think he got it from one of the widely available leaked bases. So he just had to try these pairs in hope that user used same password everywhere.loftar wrote:To be sure, though, it's not just a brute-force hack. The attacker just logged straight into the accounts without trying different passwords, so he clearly has some sort of list of credentials.
@Loftar, if it's possible, please, check two things:
- are there any spike in amount of failed attempts with non-existent login
- are there any spike in amount of failed attempts overall
Suggesting that the credentials that failed had changed passwords since their compromise.loftar (via discord) wrote: To be sure, it's not just a random brute-force bot, the site does have protections against that. The attacker just logged straight into the accounts without any password misses.
Or well, there were some accounts where he used the wrong passwords, but on the ones where they did successfully log in, they logged right in.
This is generally suggestive of some kind of phishing/scraping.


